OP here, Thanks for posting this Jack. In regards to reliability, I guess I simply hold the Camry to a different standard. I know how good the old ones hold up: I was running a '96 ES300 as a winter beater a few years back, the original struts finally started to get noisy.. .at 209k miles. Ditto the paint, my '96 4Runner has barely any stone chips that penetrated past the E-coat in 24 years of use, the Camry had rusting stone chips after the second winter. Also, this early run of 2012-2014ish Camrys have had some issues with torque converters. Toyota started "pulsing" the converter on/off rapidly as a way to give partial lockup at lower speeds to improve fuel economy and give a more direct feel as it lugs the engine down to 1200rpm around town. Some torque converters started shredding themselves, Toyota extended the warranty out to 8yrs/150k miles, ours just aged out this month, and is showing some very slight early signs of low speed locked-torque converter "rumble" (could just be my paranoia too). So all of the glaring decontenting in terms of material quality on our 2012 have drive me nuts since day one. A Chrysler product needing balljoints by 75k miles? That's simply part of the deal and I won't mind banging that job out in my garage on a nice weekend. Maybe a weird mentality to have but there you have it. At the far end of the "tinker with something fun" scale, I'd been dreaming of an old G-body to build a decent street 350 for. But even I'm not crazy enough to pitch that as a safe/reliable conveyance for daycare runs and for my wife to use in a pinch. I really wish there was something modernish and child seat friendly-ish with a V8 that didn't clock in at 4000lb+. A modern day Monte SS based on the Camaro with a more upright greenhouse, basically. A Charger is still at the top of the list, but I might just at least try to see what it's like to put my son in the back seat of a Challenger. Ex-cop Pursuit model is intriguing, 8spd trans at a very nice pricepoint, I'd even get some steel wheels and a column shifter! But like many, I associate people that drive ex-cop Chargers with "nutjob cop impersonator"
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