Indeed. You should see what John Voight's LeBaron Convertible went for used. ... View more

There are the oddball success stories out there, sure... Want to place odds on lifetime earnings for a non-college grad, and a college grad? You need a BA to push a broom at GM or climb a pole at Verizon. Do you need the BA? Nah, of course, but HR can and does require you to have one for an interview... My advice to my kid is get a degree or learn a trade; but... Learn something you can use to generate real income should the hopes and dreams of becoming Steve Jobs or Bill Gates (Multiple billions to one odds, btw) fall through. ... View more

Depends on the part. The cars weren't crushed; motors were seized (some weren't even that, I scored plenty of back door deals.) You wanted body/interior parts, they were and are plentiful if you can find a yard that didn't crush cars. ... View more

I've thought the same if someone attempted to break into my super-secure 2CV. I never lock it (it's in great shape, and the paint/bodywork is way nicer than when it left the factory), because... Nobody can figure out how to shift it without instructions. If it successfully leaves my garage under its own power (slowly, as the 2CV does everything), just start Googling Frenchmen (or women) in Buffalo, NY. Guaranteed you'll find it quickly. ... View more

Fair. Realize many of us, though, like both... My toy garage currently has two German, four American, and a French car. Best engineering, ironically, I'd give the nod to the French car. It's OK to collect a '63 Impala SS ragtop (409/4-sp car) and park it next to a '86 Mercedes SL. You can even enjoy both interpretations of "sporty" open air motoring, and how each country views a "family" and "sports" car. If you don't like European sportscars (I'm seeking a 328, before a C1 Corvette, to keep my '69 C3 ragtop company), you don't have to click on the article and complain. Promise nobody is forcing you. ... View more

The vehicle he lost a patent lawsuit on to Andre Citroën (he was dead, the company at that point) post WWII?   Germans borrowed the concept, likeness, and even much of the driveline. European courts agreed, and gave the French a decent settlement.      ... View more

I could agree with this, too... Kettering was a genius.  ... View more

Gotta choose two. You know, the guys who invented the thing.   Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz.    Elon builds trash cars that are disposable, look on CoPart for how many Model 3s with minor damage are rotting in CA because they refuse to sell bumper covers and glass.   Even Daimler/Benz's progeny still build quality vehicles.  ... View more

Early/Chrome C3s seem to be coming up. I believe it's partially because people are getting priced out of decent C2s. C1s have been strong for a while. If it were me, I'd be looking for (and I am) odd C4s. I have a line on a low mileage ZR1 that might get tossed in my garage.... Plus, it's kinda fun in a late-80s tech kinda way. I'm betting it'll appreciate in time. ... View more

Age and scarcity do that to collector items in all realms. I'm 46, and stretched at 18 to buy a '63 Impala SS Convertible, with a factory 409 (340hp)/Powerglide. She was tired, and the 409 came in a box (spun bearing), but to this 18yo, it was perfection. I make a little more today than I did stocking shelves at RadioShack in the day. It's appreciated well over the years. There's still great affordable iron out there. Chrome bumper C3s are just beginning to take off, they're also a blast to drive (i own a '69 ragtop.) Tons of great 60s passenger cars/muscle cars are out there. Grab something and enjoy it, instead of lamenting on the ones you can't grab. I had a chance at a cheap Dino years ago (still couldn't scratch it together) now they're worth as much as all my real estate combined... It happens. ... View more

I see it. Also shades of TR7. The wedge was the thing back then.... ... View more

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. But, Mom taught me to always compliment something; I do like that shade of blue. It'd look really nice on something else. ... View more

A person I went to HS with had one of these. It was a great little car, virtually new, and she got it incredibly cheap. Her father had an Impulse in the garage, and a Fuego Turbo. They liked quirky stuff. Best part of their US lineup, though, was Isuzu Joe. Killer marketing. 🙂 ... View more

I can answer this for why pre-1990s cars in general are surging.... New cars are appliances. Fine. Functional. Safe. Effective. Isolating. I love the simple existence of my daily drivers. They're exceptionally competent in ways my '46 Series 62 Convertible will never, ever be. They're also not engaging. Lack personality. Completely disposable. I've found that trait regardless of price (from Civics to Ferraris.) They're all fine. My Grandmother could drive a modern sports car at triple digits competently, and that's an incredible feat of engineering. Kudos to the people who made it happen. I drove a Pierce Arrow a dozen blocks, I was exhilarated and terrified at the same time. I felt like I *accomplished* something every time I made it to a stop sign, and got her underway again. That's what people are missing. The act of driving a car... It's why people are flocking to basic technology vehicles; I'll never be in the market for a blower Bentley as above, but I get it. I'll keep my TD and 2CV (the most basic cars I own.) Put the cell phone as far away from me as possible, and just drive. Both require attention to drive, stop, steer, and interact with the SUV driver texting and swerving in the next lane. Makes you realize how you need to partner with a machine to get where you need to go, and it's a feeling of one-ness with a non-human item that you need to work together to not kill each other. It's perfection. All you need in life, really... ... View more

Stop by and borrow one. If you're ever in WNY, we'll take one out for a night... ... View more

Says a guy who's probably never owned one. Every single antique car I've owned and enjoyed is a ragtop, from a '46 Series 62 to a S1 DHC to a R129. I owned one antique hardtop (a very rare '68 T1 Park Ward LWB car), sold it, because I wanted something else open-air. I do own an old truck; it's as much utility to bring home 2x4s, trees, and plywood as it is to tow said open-air cars. When I'm out on a warm summer evening, top down, in a vintage Corvette with my wife, or with the roof pulled back on my '63 Impala, and my family with me... My daughter keeps asking if we can take the 2CV out, even when it's 40 degrees in early spring, because she wants to ride in a ragtop. As an aging man (not *quite* old yet), if I'm out in one of my cars alone, I'm alright if you think I look stupid. You're the least of my worries. 🙂 You wanna collect fixed roof vehicles, great. I believe if you're going to own something impractical that rarely cool temps, let alone rain, snow, or the like... Go for it. Make it completely impractical. An ex owned a '01 Cabrio. Other than typical VW electrical issues, and being incredibly underpowered, it was a fun little car. She loved it. Triple insulated roof worked fine in all weather. Rabbit Cabrios are similar. Great little vehicles. Try one, they're cheap enough... ... View more

Not a bad price on the SM (assuming no corrosion), not outstanding. I've been looking for a nice DS or SM for a while to pair with the 2CV in the garage. They're available cheaper in Europe, and not subject usually to the bad weather half the US gets, and better trained mechanics for those vehicles (they're more common.) Importing headaches isn't terrible for 25+ yo cars. The Fords are a good deal, assuming the Borg automatic in the T-Bird is sorted. They're a nice cruising vehicle; a buddy in the late 90s used a '64 for a college winter vehicle in Upstate NY (it was rotten already), great car I took a ton of roadtrips in, only issue was the swing-out steering wheel didn't like to make contact in cold weather. Interior in those cars is gorgeous; truly a statement piece of the era. Old trucks are pulling crazy money right now; the camper is cool, but not my thing. Nice looking truck for the money, though. The highboy? Plastic, and a 350/350? White lettered BFGs? I'm good. As a guy who owned a few Crewe manufactured Bentleys; incredible cars. Incredibly expensive to keep on the road. Worth it when they work, but.. Part prices are miserable. ... View more

Right. People actually walked, or took stagecoaches right until EFI and independent suspensions took hold. I'm a young Gen-X'er. I've towed my 70-yo to 30-yo antiques with a vintage C10. Leaving the two less-than 5 year old Benzes at home (One, a GLS with a towing package.) Guess what? We all lived, and even enjoyed it. That's a pretty ridiculous comment. ... View more

So true. MB has lost it. I drive my old R107, R128, and W211-based CLK. They're proper German sports-sedans (Not sports-cars, mind you.) The new Benzes have lost it. Completely. I'll be in BMW/Volvo land for my next dailies; I had a single Audi experience that sealed the VW/Porsche/Audi door for a long, long time... But, I did get well versed in the NY Lemon Law. 🙂 ... View more

My sentiments exactly. Also why my next ride will most likely not be a Benz. I drive an E-Wagon (I have a kid), my wife a GLS. I *hate* her interior screens. They're two and a half years old, and showing signs of dimming already. MB sure as heck won't be replacing them for dimming. The look and feel cheap. Like a software engineer hired to build a videogame, not a interior design expert creating a beautiful dash. My E was the last year, last few months, W212. The last one with a proper dash (a major part of the reason I bought it.) It will most likely be my last Benz as well. Genuinely disappointing on so many levels. They're not the car they used to be... Even my W211 was leaps and bounds better than this car for interior quality, fit, finish, and durability. ... View more

I owned a '92 244 as my first out of college car. 120lb of tube sand in the trunk and snowtires, it was incredible. I moved to Buffalo for work, at the time, in the southern half of the city. What locals call the "snowbelt." It never got stuck; I regularly plowed past 4WD SUVs (S10 Blazers and the like) where folks would get stuck. Plus, throttle on oversteer (whatever throttle a 240 had, at least) was great to maneuver out of the way for issues. That brick got totaled by a person who wasn't paying attention, and failed to brake. "Upgraded" to a FWD Infiniti G35. It was terrible in snow. Added snows. It was passable, at best. Switched to a proper RWD German sedan, and later 4-Matic Benzes. That 240, though, could hang with the best of them up to the Blizzak equipped W213 Wagon I have today. But, that also has enough electronic nannies on it that it mutes the vast majority of issues the 240 would have killed me with 20 years ago.... I miss that 240. Everyday. Unless I'm merging on a highway. 🙂 ... View more

True. They also have governments that mandated it (I'd be alright with that), and... Kinda got to re-do the majority of their infrastructure in the mid-1940s, when we knew better. We never had that forced reboot. Lots of our telephone and electric right of ways have been in place since the telegraph. We still have paper cased, lead lined cables from the 40s in the air, in service, in rural America. That'd never fly in Europe. ... View more

I had a typo above; "Again, these are questions that need to be addressed in the next 5 years, not now." should read... "not 20 years from now." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/29/climate/gm-electric-cars-power-grid.html Citation re: the grid. Their solution? Stagger charging times. Swell. It's not like people work 8-5 or anything, and they'll be plugging in at 6p, unplugging at 7a or something. And none of that will work, at all, without bidirectional communication in the grid. Which, wait for it.... Is just around the corner. ... View more

Absolutely not true. We're only stable in our power grid because we import; we have very little excess capacity on the East Coast. We're talking single digits, and we knock on that every time the average temperature creeps above 80. I get "high use warnings" in my email, and on our emergency response networks at work all summer.... The west? Texas? Do we even need to talk about that? ... View more

Energy issues begin before that. I live in a city with a relatively modern power grid, and a huge Hydroelectric plant a few miles away (I'm in Buffalo.) Our grid, except for the rural areas, was last completely reworked in the 90s. That puts us ahead of most of the country; the NY PSC forced reinvestment a lot more aggressively than the rest of the country. Speaking with my peers at the electric grid company, if between 30 and 40% of home have a *single* electric car, not 30-40% of the fleet, our grid can't handle it. We can also import power from our friendly neighbors to the North; and we do so. We've shut down all the coal plants in NY (Good), but we haven't replaced them with anything else because it's cheaper to import Canadian energy than make our own (Bad), because when they need to replace the energy created by burning gasoline with stored electricity? Are they going to give it to us, or keep it for themselves? Again, these are questions that need to be addressed in the next 5 years, not now. Why do I think this isn't going to happen? Because your power company knows it's not attainable; and it's why they're not moving. I could counter QuantumScape with HyTech Hydrogen in Washington state. Had the pleasure of meeting them at SEMA. And their product is in the wild, in fleets, unlike QuantumScape. One could be installed in your car, today. One is still in a lab, and they're working on perfecting technology (yes, I'm aware of their press releases last fall.) Also, remember QS's giant achievement, that they can retain an 80% capacity with 800 charge cycles. So, every two years my EV drops a fifth of it's range? That's the problem with lithium iron phosphate; depositing on the anode/cathode. Do you think I'd accept that my wife's GLE or my E-Wagon drops 20% functionality every two years? I keep my daily drivers a decade plus; I'd still like to get to the store and back on a charge. In the interim, I'll look at the antiques in the garage; they're as functional as the day they rolled out of a GM/Citroen/MG/Benz factory. So many problems, so many solutions "Just around the corner." Yet we never seem to get to the corner. Toyoda is right. ... View more

Solid State batteries have been ten years out for a long time. Much like fusion. Both exist, neither are commercially viable. I work in telecom; I can speak to infrastructure. It's gonna take fifty years to rebuild the power grid, if the incentive is there. New power plants to generate the electricity? At a minimum, a decade from planning to generating it's first commercial kilowatt. Each. Plus, the push is there to bury power lines (low voltage stuff; less than 11kV) and all other infrastructure. If not, expect more wildlife fires and service disruptions to overtaxed infrastructure. That's incredibly expensive and time consuming to go house by house with a ditch witch. Leading the target, to use your analogy, is one thing. Squeezing the trigger before loading a pigeon in the thrower is where we are today.. I've read the SAE's paperwork on it, they're not discussing the other half of the equation (sustaining the product they built), merely that they have the ability to mass produce the electric vehicles in the first place. ... View more

Still doesn't solve the limitations of electricity distribution, range, and environmental destruction in their production. The platform won't work without wholesale changes in design and operation, plus rebuilding every country's infrastructure. It's just not attainable. ... View more

He's right. And he's not even into electricity generation, distribution, mining of the rare earth magnets and lithium, disruption to the supply chain/consumer from limited ranges, extreme cold and hot weather range reduction, aging in battery packs reducing range, all that stuff. EVs are a decent second car if you live in a relatively dense urban area. The guy who lives in the Dakotas, in the middle of nowhere, doing his 60mi each way run for groceries/supplies? Nope. Can I swap both our daily drivers, considering we take roadtrips frequently? Nope. Can I use an EV effectively, living in a 4-season climate (It's 9F here now)? Nope. We can convert existing ICE engines to a hybrid fuel/H2, or straight H2. Why scrap the existing fleet of vehicles on the road? That'll reduce emissions by not having to build new cars, or stripmine existing resources. We have no plan for electric generation, or for grids to transmit the electric needed. I have a 200A service to my house. Larger suburban home. Pool. Central Air. Hot tub. If I plug in two rapid charging cars overnight, they want a 80A 220v line, each (actual draw peaking around 60, sustained between 30 and 40A.) Who's gonna do a service upgrade? The rest of my home isn't gonna cut it, and it's not going to pass code. I live in the Northeast, where tons of homes are 100+ years old, and equipped with 60A *total* service, many with cloth wiring and fuses. How will they charge a car? He's spot on. The rest of the world doesn't want to hear it. I'm not against reducing carbon; we *absolutely* need to do it, but shifting environmental damage to stripmines and lithium landfills isn't the way. Let's work through it together, and focus on large corporate polluters in tandem with reduction in vehicular emissions. Until we come up with better batteries, and better ways to build them, hybrids and H2 will be where we end up (and I'm OK with that.) ... View more

Adds up perfectly. Battery is heavy. Cuts into your towing capacity. It's why a lot of older 4WD trucks were rated a few hundred pounds lower than their 2WD stablemates. Here's the other thing, ask me which one will probably function like new in 20 years (with obvious maintenance.) Your ICE powered Ram/F-Series/C-K Chevy, or it's electric friend? ... View more

I'm in Buffalo. Similar problems here. A close friend with (now older tech) a P90 Dual Motor 300mi range Tesla Model S would get about 120 miles, with the cabin and battery heaters on. I'll stick with my LS swapped squarebody for a while for truck duties, and the ICE Benz wagon for hauling people thanks. ... View more

What about those of us who own *both* foreign and Murican cars? Mind. Blown. You realize it's OK to like them each, right? ... View more

Combos always seem to end up on our long trips. Made with some sort of plastic cheese wedged into a pretzel, they provide some fuel when you're in parts with super-sketchy restaurant options or absolute nothingness. Plus they don't leave a lot of debris in the car, even if you drop one they don't disintegrate under the seat/into the carpet. ... View more

If you're buying, a Renault Jolly. I'm in the market for a Mehari to sit next to the 2CV. Finding one with not-decayed plastic is challenging. They make replacement shells, but importing them from Europe is brutal. Cheap summer fun. Painfully reliable. Guaranteed smile driving it, even if she won't get out of her own way.... Just like the 2CV. I'm beginning to leave the vintage US stuff in the garage and putting more miles on this type of stuff. Just different. ... View more

I remember being in undergrad when the 300ZX ad came out. I loved it. Their ads at the time were quirky, enjoyable, and we'll put together. I also remember one called "fascination" where a kid knocks a baseball into a room with Dale and it's essentially a museum of their best cars, ever. Or their hardbody/pickups that ended with him holding a dog... Saying "Dogs Love Trucks. Also remember the Ram/Harvey ad. Great ad, great copy, and great targeting your market VW had some killers. For the Cabrio in the early 00s with Nick Drake's Pink Moon, emphasizing it's about the drive, not the destination (kinda my life's philosophy), or the Jetta ad with J. Ralph and a guy crashing a wedding, obviously getting back the girl he truly loves. Ends with the words Start Something. I worked in ad production for a Fortune 20 for a long time. Not a lot of fresh ideas out there. We had far more creative ad folks fifteen years ago (let alone fifty); good ad copy seems cyclical. I think we've been in a down cycle for the past ten or fifteen years. ... View more

The R5 is one of my dream cars. It's a weird dream car, but... I had a Matchbox of it as a kid; and I loved it. Still do. It's such a Frankenstein monster of a car that it's incredible. Silly little French car that's essentially wrapped around a giant motor, just because. No good reason. No logic. Just because someone thought it might make a decent rally car. It's odd in a garage filled with old(er) iron than this Renault, but... The sheer lunacy of the car makes me want to own one even more. I best get cracking, they're beginning to push for the sky for a nice one.... ... View more

Ed... You're insane. The French build some amazing machines. They fit well next to my German, American, British and Italian stuff in the garage, but the above poster is correct... They're engineered exceedingly well, just very, very different. Especially Citroen. ... View more

Good friend owned a Tiger. You can't heel/toe in the car because you can't move your feet. I couldn't wear shoes (size-11-ish depending on the shoe) or it would get wedged between the dash and floor. Had bent tie-rod ends (yes, by design) to swing the custom-made rack & pinion to the hubs to steer. Worked OK until you exceeded about a turn on the wheel (like changing direction on a divided highway), the outer tire would hop angrily... In a straight line launch, *both* rear wheels would hop angrily on the leaf spring rear. Needed to drop the transmission mount and driveshaft to swap valve cover gaskets; the last two or three rocker arms were under the firewall. This specific Tiger was a "California" optioned car (a performance package, with a 450 CFM 4-bbl Holley and Finned valve covers); the fins on the VCs were ball milled off, to fit under said firewall. You had to remove 2 rubber plugs in the firewall, and curse a significant amount to access the rear 2 plugs or wires. Terrible car. And I miss it. It was so much fun.... Could you imagine half those things passing QC/Engineering today? ... View more

Same reason I love my Riverside Gold '69. I've had many arguments with my friend and body guy about changing the color. We're pulling the body for a frame off/re-powering (LS7) /brake/suspension upgrade this year. It's a period piece, and stands out when you drive it down the road. We're adding some additional glass and mica flake to the color, but it'll remain Riverside, with just a touch more pop in the sunlight... ... View more

100% with you. Wouldn't touch a modern Dodge for all the money in the world. This era Ram and PowerWagon are cool, almost for the exact reason that they *are* so vintage. It's scary that this '84 makes the already more than a decade old GM Squarebody look downright modern. ... View more

As someone who's had the pleasure to own and wrench on several Citroens (A SM, DS, and several 2CVs) the subtle details of the SM are incredible. It is hands down, to this day, the best highway car I've ever owned. Rides nicer than a modern S-Class. Great seats. Fantastic visibility. Nimble. So long legged on the highway they just pull and pull.... And that Italian V-6. Sounded incredible winding out. Regret selling that car more than anything else I've ever parted with. I will snag another; just finding one in the US that hasn't fallen to the tin-worm is hard. I may have to fly across the pond, and send one home. ... View more

Seriously. This is about cars, not a political board. Can we keep it that way? ... View more

Great choice my friend.. My Dad is a huge Stude fan. I've made the pilgrimage to South Bend for some football and Studebakers in the past. Great ride, for a company with an incredible past, and sadly limited future. Still can't figure out how they went from their most profitable year in business in '61/'62 with the well timed intro of the Lark to essentially dead in late 63. I'm a GM and Packard fan (with enough grey at 45, but too young to remember Packard), myself, but enough Stude love from my old man rubbed off that I'd definitely clear some space in the garage for a Lark, Starlight, Hawk, or Avanti. Fun car, and quirky enough to get noticed. Let's just stay away from what they did to Pierce or Packard. 😉 ... View more

I can speak to the fun of a 2CV, and I'm definitely not a boomer. 😉 Longest road trip under our belt is about four hours, and who needs more than 29hp anyway. It's actually a great daily driver when the weather is nice and the wife and kids are out of town. Plus, it gets gas mileage that's a factor of almost five times better than my GM muscle and luxury cars. Because mileage is the real reason for owning a vintage car, right? 😉 ... View more

Pinnacle? As a guy who's owned a few, I'd argue that statement. Every decade has had Volkswagen produce competent vehicles, no doubt, but they don't live alone on an island. In each and every decade, German, Italian, American, and Japanese manufacturers have been able to hand Porsche it's proverbial ***. Most at the same time. Let's also not forget the fantastic VW sourced electrical components. My 348 was far more reliable than my 993; things like failing door pin switches causing random alarms at 3A in the garage never failed to endear me to VW electronics. I'm no fan of modern Corvettes, but a Z51 equipped C8 is faster and more competent than a current GT3, and it's half the price. Let's not even discuss the aftermarket for each, and potential to do more, with less. Is the interior plastic, sure, but so is the Porsche... At least it's honest. And when one breaks? I drive German. But VW/Audi/Porsche? Never again, unless I can find another 912E (I do miss that car.) I'll stick with a vintage E-type, anything with a prancing horse on the front, any MG, a Healey, you name it... I'd probably rather have it in my garage than a Porsche. ... View more

Reinforcing daily that my W212 Estate Wagon may be the last Benz I buy, ever. The exterior is pretty. The interior is hideous. The driveline is the ultimate turn off. I'm good, thanks. I'll keep my 109, and 210 drop tops. You can keep the new stuff. They peaked at the 210, been downhill since. ... View more

Or the headlights aren't fully deploying.... Do you have a red warning light on the center gauge stack that's illuminated "Headlights" or the like? The '69 I own has one (but I can't tell you the exact verbiage, and it's cold out there...) It's to tell you if you pull the light switch, and the vacuum cans don't fully move the headlights to "Up" and locked position. If they fully deploy, and the warning light is on, there are two safety switches (one on each side) on the headlight lift mechanisms. The buttons need to be fully pressed in to turn the warning light/buzzer off. They may need adjustment (it's two nuts, on a threaded shaft.) Or after 40 years, it's possible one of the switches has failed, wires corroded, or have wiggled loose. It's also possible that the vacuum motors are getting weak, and they're *not* going up all the way (pretty common.) Before you tear into a C3 dash (which is unpleasant, to say the least) check for the warning lamp, and those switches. Should be able to wiggle under the air dam and see them pretty clearly.... Parts are reproduced for those switches, vacuum motors, and harness parts. You may need a multimeter, and some choice words for the GM engineers who decided vacuum lift motors were a great idea.... ... View more

I had a 912E. Absolutely the best Porsche I've ever owned for pure fun and enjoyment. Balanced, fun, and a blast to drive. The necessity of keeping the little 4 high in the RPM range to be able to spring out of corners, without the nasty pendulum effect that the older 911s had with the big, heavy 6 out back. I sold my 912 for a 911. Regretted it immediately. That's the only Porsche (other than a 356, which are great, but not worth their current asking) I'd like back in the garage. ... View more

There's a 2CV and a TD in the garage, for exactly that reason. Combined, they still have less than 100hp. Doing more than 45mph in either feels like you're full throttle in a McLaren. They never fail to put a smile on my face, and unlike a lot of other vehicles, they never fail to put a smile on the face of other drivers. Many times, I choose these over other muscle/sports cars for exactly this reason, they're actual driving. It's you and the machine. Nothing to distract you from, well, driving! ... View more

I have three friends who have bought Teslas. One owned two. Two Ss, One X, One 3. Exactly zero are still with their original owners. Poor long term reliability, OTA software updates that slowed internal computers to a crawl, terrible range versus promised, fit and finish (The 3 and X, especially. The Ss were OK, not great.) that would make 1970s American car companies blush, just utter garbage when you have to own them for any period of time. Fun to do a launch. Not much more than that, though... ... View more

My father owned a G80. Traded in a 330i X-Drive for it. He liked it so much, he is now driving an Outback daily. To describe the software/interface as half-baked would be an insult to half-baked things everywhere. Plus, the car would randomly discharge it's electrical system from time to time, get a flatbed ride to a local Genesis dealer. Jump started. Run fine for 6 to 8 weeks, and do it again. He was kinda happy when he dumped it back after the lease... Plus, lease don't buy. Check the resale values after two years (what I instructed him to do, and he was thankful.) That's the *only* car I recommend leasing, ever. ... View more