Missed the 60's Pontiac wagons. they were large and a number of them were pretty powerful. My buddies dad held a NHRA national record with one for a good while. ... View more

"If you think you hate it now, just wait till you drive it!" The Queens sales pitch. Sadly the car it was based on was not that good of a car. I recall all the broken upper ball joints and the twin drain plugs in the oil pan. We has several companies that tried to use them but many issue led to short service lives. Even sadder the many cars listed here that were very good have suffered from the lack of restoration parts and demo derby lives. It is not easy to find a good wagon anymore. ... View more

I really like the Tipo. Classic styling but Miata reliability and parts. The real question here what is the order phone number. ... View more

No problem and let us know how it works.  I would be the same on brake cleaner too.  ... View more

  There are different types of readily available solvent cleaners that work well on removing fluorescent dye stains from most surfaces. Several factors will contribute to their effectiveness, including the spill size, type of material stained, and length of time before cleaned. Spectroline® offers a   fluorescent dye cleaner  Glow Away Plus  in every kit and sold separately. Its concentrated formula works to dissolve and remove the toughest of stains. Simply spray, and wipe away immediately for fast acting dye removal.   Here is what most HVAC shops recommend. Keep in mind  to test it in a place where if it reacts to your paint you have not damaged it more. Inside a door jamb?      GOOD Goof-Off • Mineral Spirits (Paint Thinner) • Penetrating Oil (Spray Can) BETTER • WD-40 (Spray Can) • Isopropyl Alcohol BEST • Non-Chlorinated Automotive Brake Cleaner (spray can) • GLO-AWAY Plus   May also want to try Kerosene as it will not harm the paint.    Remember oils are solvent even lighter fluid if used away from a flame can remove many things and not harm paint. It is a very refined oil. We used it to lube Soap Box Derby wheels and to clean the bearings.    One it lightens up use a cleaner polish like 3M Machine polish and use a good orbital polisher as it will do 50 times the job than by hand.    At worse from what I read it will fade away over time too. They did not say how long.    ... View more

One great need is the TTop gaskets for a Pontiac Fiero. Mine are still good but if I need to replace I have no option.  with fewer than 7,000 made and many less left today there is little profit in these gaskets.   the plastic caps are now being printed.  I did buy a set of NOS glass panels as if I ever dropped a panel all that is left are used glass and most are not in great shape.  I originated the term Fiero death grip for how we Fiero owners grip the tops when removing.  The real trouble is the 88 models as front hubs and other suspension parts are just not available. Most parts are for the older models but the 88 was a one year suspension.  ... View more

Fords had a number of major quality issues on the Bronco.   I really want to like this vehicle but I have to say it has a lot corner cut to save cost under the skin. Now these engine issues are not wide spread but not good image wise.  I hate Jeeps but I got out of a new Bronco and into a Rubicon and it just feels more refined even for a Jeep.  Now if they can stop the Jeeps from flipping in Crash test.   Ford really needs the income from the Bronco for the EV programs. Between roof issues and Chip shortages it has really hampered the income.     ... View more

There are a number of cheap Ferraris but they are odd and ones you generally would not want. Often they are ones that need more work than the car is worth.  You never see posters of these or on the green at Pebble. But I have seen web sites in England with odd exotics that are being parted out as they are just not worth any investment.  Often they are ugly or odd. They are not a 250 GT or even close. ... View more

The LaSabre of this era was a sales champion. It had all the benefits of the Park Ave but at a very good price. My father bought a 97 and I got him into the Grand Sport suspension and I never saw him so happy with a car. He was not a car guy but he loved this one. ... View more

To be fair the mfgs just were hit with new Emissions regs and converters. Next they were faced with new CAFE regs that they were not close to dealing with. They only knew that smaller and lighter was the way out. Later the computers were available so that we could use them on cylinders, FI, cam adjusting etc that were not able to be done before. That brought things that bailed them out after Billions were already spent. It was so bad that Chevy had planned to kill the V8 and the Corvette guys were looking at using a twin v6 to drive the car. One in front one in the rear. A Citation mule with 12 cylinders still is around. ... View more

The fix in the day was to change the ignition out. I saw many solved that way. We had a Le Baron in the shop at school and it had a lean burn that got little mpg. We had a new Le Baron in the shop that had fallen off a train. We used the computer on it and it got better mpg. We went to order a new computer and found there was a staggering number of computers for that year of engine. Mix in a thermoquad carb and you had a mixture for frustration. ... View more

This was an era where GM was very unsure what people wanted or liked. They just never adjusted to the market. They panicked and then went smaller and FWD. My boss had a car just like this one. It had a V6 and was this same hideous color. The car finally blew up and it was on its way as he finally bought a dark violet metallic Fleetwood with a 307 V8 and it was a much better car. These were not bad cars but the new tech like the 8/6/4 was just be fore they had the computers to support it. GM has always been a leader in tech but too often it is too early and suffers till supporting tech helps. The transmissions also suffered development cuts and many failed. Cadillac failed to see that people were moving to luxury cars that not only were luxury but also could go turn and stop competently. The FWD Seville was forced to compete but just never could. Again the N Star was Unsorted. I am a Cadillac fan but things started to go south when Cadillac started to rely on high volumes just as Lincoln did vs exclusivity and lower volumes. When both became just another cooperate platform they paid the price. Both are struggling today to return to be something special. Both need less Ford and Chevy and more Cadillac and Lincoln. The change to EV might be the fix but only time will tell. ... View more

Best thing to do is read up and learn just what is in your wheel house and what is not. Not only knowing what and how to do something but to have the correct tools and shop to do it. Example. Many of us can do the electrical and mechanical but we lack the skill or tools to do a proper body and paint. So we send that out as it is cheaper and likely it will be a better job than if we did it at home. Few people do a full restoration unless they are fully trained or have a full shop. Much like working at home. Many of us can repair a sink or furnace but we can not replace a foundation. Many of us who do have additional. Skills learned them as Sanjeev stated by helping in others shops and or went to school. This is time consuming and great to do if you plan to continue to do more restorations in the future. If you plan to learn body work I would recommend buying an older less valuable car to learn on first. The like shown here is not the best for learning on. Fix up a beater you can buy cheap and resell at a profit then once confident move to more valuable Cars. ... View more

This is about trucks.  Goodyear tire developed the first pneumatic tires for trucks and used them on a series of delivery trucks to deliver tires at first from Akron to to. Boston. Then Boston to San Francisco.  Next they developed the first tandem rear axle and added Pneumatic  tires for the early cross country trips.  This was the start of cross country trucking.   My Great Uncle started here left for the Six Wheel Bus company than moved to GMC when they bought out the bus company.  ... View more

This is the correct story. My great uncle was part of this years ago. ... View more

My 95 V6 T Bird was a car I liked but just could not keep with all the quality issues. The V6 head gasket was at the heart of the sending it on. It was sad as I loved that car in how it rode and drove. ... View more

I for the most part just avoid the list to save the aggravation. Accept when we found my buddies stolen tractor on there. He put Edelbrock intake manifold decals on it and the thief advertised it as an Edelbrock tractor. Busted!   Rule to follow is if the deal is too good to be true or odd walk away.  ... View more

Someone needs to tell the truth on these Trans Am’s. These are not personal cars from Burt’s private collection.  These are often cars that were purchased and titled in his name. The companies  rebuilt these cars that were in his name and then sold them as his cars but he was just a passive owner that got a cut of the money.  These Trans Am’s had become a cottage industry.  I love the movie and Burt but I hat to see people over pay for cars that whole true he owned it are not what msny think they are.  I think he owned one or two real Trans Ams and one is in a private collection in Fl the other I lost track of it. They were all stock.  All the original movies cars were used up and not running at the end of the movie. In the final scene the last car was rolling down a hill with a dead engine.    ... View more

No the car can have the motor regulated to simulate torque from another engine and it would rely on you to shift at the right points and clutch in time to get the vehicle to speed just as any ICE engine does.  You shift wrong you go slower.  This would make the car slower but it would give those the need to shift the ability.  it is more like a video gave vs a fake noise. It would actually affect the cars performance.  look, it may not be perfect but there are ways to keep these from just being a high powered golf cart.  Just think you could choose say from a Zl1 torque profile and a 4 speed or a V12 7 speed profile.  ... View more

The Benz, Toyota ans Nissan all could be very cost prohibitive to restore vs buying on already done. The Mustang on the other hand is not a real restoration project. Most are rebuilt into race or weekend hot rods and they are cheap to buy and cheap to find parts for if you go away from stock. ... View more

I agree that often writers and enthusiast often miss judge the market. We got the end of performance several times. We got the we can never modify many times. But things got kicked down the road with added costs and features that have seen cars go from $12k average in 85 to $46k today. But to be fair the automakers at times expected the end of things too. With the end of the V8 in the early 80’s the Corvette people built and tested a Twin Engine V6 Citation. Yes the car is still around today. The troubles before were small with only state and federal regulations being faced in cars not sold out side NA. Today much of this is no longer true in the Global auto market. ICE development is being dropped by a number of mfgs. already so like death it is hard to come back from that one unless you were one man. But even with the changes I see once they get the basic development and cost covered the things they may do with EV. With programming they could program an EV to drive and shift like it has a 4 speed. Or they could come up with a number of things to make it interesting. We will see many changes we just do not foresee today. This is why we as enthusiast need to be involved in the changes. ... View more

We need to let this transition happen naturally. Prices continue to fall and EV models will become cheaper with the more they sell.  This transition is going to to take place over decades not just a few years.  This is one thing the government got us into and they can’t sped our way out like they try on so many things.  EV cars ar3 going to be like high tech features like anti lock brakes or. Idea screens in cars. The first ones will be high priced but after a few years they prices will be equal and could possibly get cheaper if companies want to get into a price war. ... View more

If you really covered the history cars like the SSK and Duesenberg should be listed. Both were street cars that could be and were raced. The Duesenberg not only was a great street car but it was an Indy winner and Grand Prix of France winner at Le Mans.  ... View more

Nothing would have saved the Delorean. It’s problems all come back to money that they ran out of.  it would have been more interesting with a turbo but it was doomed from the start.  If anything a turbo of that era may have brought the end sooner. Turbo durability was poor in this era with no good synthetic oils and the lack of water cooling of the turbo bearing.  ... View more

The great difficulty in running a club is getting people to help run it or someone willing to give all the time to run and organize it.  I have been involved with several clubs that were strong and ended up failing.  When they were strong we had many good members helping and giving of their time. But in the end people leave grow older or have family issues to deal with and you end up with a small grip doing all the work.   Now I have sone private run clubs that do well has it has a very motivated owner willing to do the  work and are being compensated to do it. it is up to them to provide a good product and a good number do that.  The rest is just common sense but in the end it takes people to do this.  ... View more

Sorry this does not fix the real issue.  The failure here was it was too expensive and not a 911 and this got it rejected by many Porsche fans.  The Cayman works as it is cheaper and looks like a 911.  Porsche people are like Jeep, BMW and Mini buyers they will buy the vehicle with the same look over and over and will reject it should it change.  ... View more

Look Buick was only saved for China where they pulled in some great profits for GM. The dealers basically supplied smaller up scales CUV models that were add on profits for the very profitable GMC lines.  Buick is in a good place to go EV.  They have little to risk and are pretty unknown to the average under 40 driver.  They can afford to take some risks and really make a full reset here going to EV platforms that easily and more affordable provide sedan and coupe bodies in smaller numbers.  The Wildcat here is doing well with most who have seen it. Yes it is a show car and yes it would change if it goes production as show-cars generally suck at being real world cars. SSR, Crossfire, Prowler anyone?  I think a number of car companies should take more chances with styling in the change over as things have gotten dull. Retro has played out. BMW look too much like the cars they built years ago.  As for price the first cars will be higher end cars that will help cover the development cost that will lead to more affordable and even more advanced car.  I hate to point this out to those complaining on price but ICE is not getting any cheaper either as cost keep rising to cover the extra development of ne smaller engines and cars made of more expensive materials. We are at nearly $47k as an average price when in 1985 it was around $12k.  Like this or not it is coming and we all are going to have to find the good in this for us in some way. in fact the sooner the enthusiast interject themselves in this the more the products will be tailored to our wants or needs.    Or we can pout and resist and just get stuck with what they do offer.   ... View more

That’s because it was a Lotus body.  ... View more

Here is the trouble. People show with their hearts to buy American but they buy with their wallets and that is China.  Everyone complains about Walmart but most end up shopping there.    China is on  path to try to be the economic leader of the world replacing America. They want their currency to be the economic measure. While they are holding power they still have a lot of weakness.    We need to hard line them more on their stealing of technology and properties and also use tariffs to give some balance to the trade as they can easily under cut us all day long.    We had many things in place till the present president removed them at the start of his term with executive actions    China is not going to go away and there are many things we just no longer make. But we are going to have to deal with them. The better we manage this the better.    As for enforcing trademarks and tech they are not going to do a thing. So it is up to us to hurt them in other ways. They need us to keep their own economy stable so that is where we need to attack.    Also clean out all the lobbyist in DC that China is using.    There is much the American public is not aware of. Such as Chinese Students are required and can be called upon to spy and gather sensitive info they may be in contact with. Not saying every student is a spy but how do you tell? The universities know this but they want the China Money.    Also be aware the global initiatives are mostly rooted in China or funding other groups to push for a global rule and income sharing.    Note too the Canadian Maurice Strong that started the Global Warming issues ran off and hid as a billionaire in China of all places. The government would prevent people from contacting him    There is a lot at stake but so much corruption in our government and ignorance in the public sector have left us hanging.    Chinese automakers copied a Chevy so close they called it a Chery and even the fenders interchanged.  ... View more

Actually a find like this is a great help as most of 5bese cars are worth fixing and he also has a great stash of parts. We had neither till this sale.   The real wast are the guys that stash and are the types that oh I am going to restore it some day. Well the car rust yo the ground before someday comes.  I know a GTO Judge Convertible that was lost as it was stored in a damp dirt floor garage. It rotted out till there was little left to save. It also suffered some vandalism of the few parts worth saving.  ... View more

Well I have a Fiero, I hope to buy a C8 to go with it. I also may inherit some day a 911 I would keep from the family If I do I would like to preserve it.  All have the engine not in the front.  ... View more

Was there any written warranty before you ordered or bought the car?  If not it is like buying any used car with no warranty implied.   Most good builders will fix what is wrong if it was of their own workmanship. If a part fails that is not usually covered.  Unfortunately this is one area of the hobby you take a risk when buying any used car.  You can check the laws in his state but generally Lemon laws are only new cars.   At this point anything can be repaired. You may just need to go to someone else that is competent.  ... View more

Nice to see these cars come back from automotive purgatory ... View more

Just need a low mile drop topC5 for affordable fun. ... View more

Look we in the enthusiast segment of the automotive field need to get our collective beep together.  I see so much Beep going on with the ICE and EV people and it is only going to lead to more problems especially for the ICE fans.  Let me make this clear. I am not a global warming believer or a Tesla fan. My dream is a C8 Z07.  Ok here is the deal cars burn, cars burn every day. EV cars and ICE cars all burn.  Yes there is some learning to do with the EV cars but they will fix it and it will be no worse or better than anything now. Actually it could be better as now we have gas, oil and electrical fires and we may only see rare electrical fires.  My buddy had a T Bird and he parked it in the garage. By luck he went out to check something in the garage to find the interior in his 4 year old car burning.  It would have taken the house if he had not caught this.  Look we need to accept the fact the automakers have their backs to the wall globally vs emissions in many markets anymore. They do not want to force us all into 2 cylinder cars that make a Spark look hood. The increased number are nearly impossible to meet.  As for us we no longer are able to vote for better regulations. Automakers are not going to change $35 million dollar programs every 4 years.  As for the changes things are on a little of a sliding scale as innovation can speed it up or unexpected troubles could slow it a bit but it is coming and we are not going to change direction. Note storming the Capital is also not recommended.  We all need to be informed and up to date on this. Our children are not going to be Cobalt slaves, all our houses are not going to burn, We are not totally doomed.  But we need to grasp the Hemi is dying. The Chevy trucks may be going to a 3.0 turbo 6 over a more common V8 before it is turned to electric at some point.  The cold harsh reality is if you want a large vehicle or a fast vehicle at some point it is going to need to be a EV until the flux capacitor arrives.  The greatest thing we need to do is protect our collector cars. At some point they will make it difficult to keep one on the road.  I get it I don’t relish the change but it is coming and we need to Find our place in it and protect what we can of our past.  Dishonest on either side is counter productive to all so we need to not parrot many of these falsehoods on the web.  ... View more

It is simple supply and demand. Ford has sold few of these and demand is up now. I still think this car was a mistake as the old GT is one that should have been continued. It would have done more for Ford than this seldom seen model. Let’s face it this car was built to win Le Mans and with the help of of the rules they win it on the 50th anniversary. So it did what Ford intended. So as long as demand out paces supply the prices will keep on pace.   I expect the coming IMSA GTD Corvette customer cars will follow a similar path.  ... View more

AWD is sold because of the lack of RWD.  FWD has limitations with extreme performance.  AWD is also good for people with poor car control skills in the snow. I live in the snow region and I have experience of 40 plus years with RWD and you will not generally get stuck or die unless you really don’t know what you are doing. AWD is easier but you generally still get around with RWD. FWD I point and shoot and good for people who can’t steer out of a skid.    I have owned 300HP plus fwd vehicles and they just are difficult to get the power to the ground as the weigh transfer unloads the drive tires.  AWD will hook up better but it takes power. RWD is the best for max power hence why drag racers run RWD in most cases.  I would not complain too much here as Honda still makes a sedan. Many companies have killed the sedan and more are going to. Hyundai and Kia just announced they will kill the Sonata, 5 and Stinger.  So if you want a sedan you may want to plan to buy one soon.    ... View more

I owned a 1972 GMC Sprint SP Big Block. It was the GMC version of the El Camino SS. I liked the car and knew it was rare only to find it was more rare than I had imagined. It was great to drive and handling was good. Hauling was ok. I could haul a complete 428 Pontiac in back with little drama. But it was not something to Toss 40 bags of mulch in with the low bed sides. The S10 really killed this car as it was cheaper and in many cases more able to haul. I later had Sonoma ZQ8 and it was the closest thing to the Camino. It handled like a Z/28 but actually hauled a load better. I used to auto cross mine and did well with it. But today I have a GMC Canyon and while it is not as cool as the Camino it is a much better vehicles with better brakes, ride, 4x4, back seat, better hauling and much more comfort. The mpg difference is about 12 more mpg in my Canyon and the V6 has more power than the Big Block. It does lack the sound though. ... View more

Scale has forced the consolidation of brands.  I am a Pontiac  guy but they were reduced to a styling exercise by scaling down platforms.  I hated to see the closing of any divisions but most of the ones we lost really have not been major losses as we did not lose anything we could not buy at another division.  The one I can justify keeping is GMC as it has been very profitable with the Denali branding.  Denali is one of the few automotive branding that really has paid off in the last 30 years.  ... View more

Yes the ladder played a role. But the ladder was also at Ford and Chrysler too just on a smaller scale.  It used to be that each rung on the latter was it’s own but as time passed it has become where 2-3 brands can do the same job.  The other factor is cars like VW, Honda and Mazda all introduced to America low cost cheap cars when they arrived. Like VW it was all about the Bug. Then as they did more expensive cars people rejected them like the Phaeton. The car in just a little different form does well as an Audi.  Same applies to BMW and Benz in the reverse. We mostly see 5heir higher end models here but for decades they sold lower end models globally. Now we generally are not excited about the low end models here as Americans generally see the as high end companies.  It’s not one world in the auto market or many other things.  I really believe what killed Cadillac and Lincoln is they still depend too much on corporate platforms.  The CT5 is built  on a longer Camaro platform with a Camaro engine. Too much Chevy for many non GM buyers. Still a great car but that stigma.   Ford killed Lincoln with Taurus based cars. Same at Jag when they owned them as they had too much Ford technology. Nothing wrong with that but it is just the public perception.  ... View more

Here is another example of a car that was not bad but too expensive for the brand.  In America we have a habit of seeing lesser brands unable to sell more expensive cars. VW and others have tried but failed. Honda went as far to create Acura to set their more expensive car apart.  ... View more

The 500 and the early brickyards have always been more than just a race. One must attend at least once. The race itself is not easy to watch on site but the atmosphere is something you will always remember. I have been lucky to have had access to the garages and restricted areas in the 80’s and it was fun just to stand aside and watch the teams work as they work harder here than anyplace else. I was lucky to see the Snake Pit in its prime. At the end of the day bodies lie passed out on the ground like casualties at Gettysburg. The site of near a half million people also is a real site. The trip to the upper grandstand in turn one is like no other as you literally walk on the roof. The events you grew up with were amazing to watch. I will miss the Jim Neighbors singing and Mrs Hulmans cry to start the engines. The old garages last year was 85 and it was work for the teams to deal with them as the cars did not turn sharp enough to turn in so jacks would swing the tail around. They still used tractors to move and tow the cars. I recall the bank of phones at the end of the garage. I called home and looked as drivers were next to me calling home themselves. No cell phones then. If you want to watch the race go to Mid Ohio but if you want to be part of one of the worlds largest events and history go to Indy. ... View more

The 301 was a smaller version of the Pontiac engine that was used for the new down sized GM cars. It became a corporate engine used in other brands like my fathers Buick.  It was similar in design but it was a smaller lighter version that really shared few parts. Oddly it did share the oil filter mount and the low deck tooling in the plant of the 303 Ram Air 5 that never really got into production outside over the counter parts.  It lived a short life and was never the power monster likes it’s larger siblings were back in the day.  If John Delorean had stayed at Pontiac they had plans up to a Ram Air VII and possibly more. All that dies when he left.  The Ram Air Tunnel Port heads were copied by Pontiac in an odd way.  George Delorean was a Pontiac racer who went to Mercury for a year. One of his exMercury team mates gave him the Ford Tunnel port heads and block and George then called Pontiac to send over their engineers.  Plaster cast were taken and the parts were returned to Ford never knowing Pontiac had copied them.    ... View more

Not disagreeing but many get confused due to the smaller 301 engine offered in later years.   Those not Pontiac fans see it as a small block while we see it as a boat anchor.  ... View more

Having grown up in a car centric group of friends I have a number of GTO and Pontiac stories. Our daily drive to school was a 63 GP with a Ram Air IV and we expanded from there. One of the craziest drives was in a 65 GTO we redlined thinking it had a 3:73. We found later it had a 3:07. We were running a Tri power 428 with a Ram Air cam. The car protested mightily but we pressed on even as the back of the hood rose above the cowl. The adventures of youth and no fear lead to a number of interesting a great memories. Perhaps we all **bleep** write our experiences down as those of the electric future will miss out on the fun.  Peter is a great writer. My favorite is Lance Lambert. He has two great books and a number of columns that beat most claimed writers.  ... View more

With all these cars parts and repair are a major factor. There is a reason the Jags often see Chevy transplants. The real bargain here is the C5. For the money it is the real deal here. ... View more

In the past wiring was a mess. Today with the available harnesses it makes things so easy.  Also in the past too many people just are not organized and just try to make connections vs a real planned out system.  ... View more

I plan to built the Lego Ferrari to go with my other three Lego 1/8 super cars.  These make really nice display pieces and actually can be very good investments. The 911 has gone up nearly 300% since it was discontinued. The others are expected to follow.  There is big money in discontinued Lego sets.  As for the big power trucks get them while you can as the window is closing on them. Chevy should have a supercharged one soon using the Cadillac engine.  ... View more

My favorite show every year is no awards. I do a few brand only Pontiac only. But I attend a Charity event that is kind of the legacy of the Glenmoore Gathering concourse.  It is a no award that encompasses the history and interesting aspects of automotive history. It is just a day of enjoying the cars and no worry about dust.  You may see anything from a La Ferrari to a VW German staff Bug from 1942. One year a Davis showed up and even Fred Sanfords actual screen used truck.  The event is a cross section from high rollers to the hot rodders.  When you drive in or out the drive people sit in chairs along the drive. It is like a parade.  There is great good, tours of the mansion. Even one year the Goodyear blimp flew over the event.  It is a blast. Everyone is just there for a good time.  I even got to slide behind the wheel of a Miura.  For me it is one of the last events I attend every year.  If I do attend a judge Pontiac **bleep** means more than the local shows.    I don’t have an expensive car and if I can beat a car that their paint is more than my investment I am pleased to know it was a test of my detailing skills. I see it as a test of myself and my skills not that I beat anyone.  I give up on the beep ... View more

Well here is what I know about rental cars and working in the racing industry. Everything claimed on the Shelby's does happen to the regular rental cars.    We travel to events and while we are not always driving a performance car it has not stopped us from Laps at Atlanta Speedway, Runs on the quarter mile at NHRA weekends, and yes Auto crossing at some events that have it available.    Not to mention the dounuts and burnouts in parking lots and other areas.    Also parts swaps are very common. I have seen on the web many telling the tale. I saw one where a guy hat a GTP GP and he wanted the softer rear seat GM upgraded in later models. The dealer would not do it. So he went to another dealer took a test drive and he and his buddy swapped the seat and took the car back. I have seen similar things happen with engine parts too.    In fact one guy rented Ford Fairmonts at each NHRA stop for his stock class and he would race the car. He never drove the same car twice and ended up national champion. No crew no towing just rent the car and bring a helmet.    So while the stories on the  I can say many of the claims of the Shelby do happen in the rental fleets.    I went to one event and my rental was a new Mustang. I can say the temptation is there.  ... View more