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Would you pay $5000 extra for a manual 2023 Integra?

When Acura rolled out the reborn Integra as a reskinned, upmarket Civic hatch we admit to being a little disappointed. More than 200 horsepower would have been nice, and a standard CVT is a real head-scratcher. Unfortunately, the final pricing for the 2023 car doesn't give die-hards much cause to change tune.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/would-you-pay-5000-extra-for-a-manual-2023-integra/
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CitationMan
Gearhead

Acura has the worst option packages of any car manufacturer. They nonsensically group odd items together and then charge way too much for each package. The packages and pricing are totally at odds with the company they say they want to be. In a phrase, they are anti-enthusiast.
The CVT and no LSD in the base package tells you everything you need to know about their “precision crafted performance”.
Tinkerah
Engineer

I don't follow late model options but was going to comment that even if I were thinking about it, getting stuck with all the nonsense I probably don't want would be enough for me to pass on the whole thing.
MustangJim
Technician

They will probably drop the manual trans. option after the first year when no body buys it. Its a shame that manuals are on their way out but to only offer it on a top spec car is death knell ( is that the right word?). Me, I would buy the Elantra with a stick for less money and have more fun...but I don't need a brand to impress people. The only rationale I have for this is that if they offered the manual in a more basic package it would steal Civic SI sales from Honda. How dare they!
Sumrwhlz
New Driver

I agree, I believe this was intentionally done by Acura so sales are not take away from the Civic SI. However, if the Integra was a true and tangible upgrade from the Civic, then this wouldn't be a concern. This may prove how similar they truly are.
Snailish
Instructor

I misread the headline as paying $5000 more for a manual 2003 Integra and immediately thought "I don't think I'd pay $5000 for one period let alone that much more for manual".

 

I'm sure 2003 Integra are a great car and probably a smart buy right now (and good ones probably top 5k). Just not my thing.

TalkingPie
Pit Crew

I really wanted this to be the first Acura to be relevant to my interests in about 15 years, but I don't think I'm the only one to be disappointed by it. The Civic Si is much the same - at least for what's important to me - for many thousands less, and VW offers the GTI and GLI for similar money which promise to be more entertaining at a similar price point. I'm probably more tolerant of CVTs than most enthusiasts, but to make one standard on a car like this, with the manual hidden in a pricy option package, makes no sense to me. The Integra name deserved better than this.

I miss the excitement I felt about Acuras in the 90s and 00s: NSX, Integra, RSX, early manual TSX, Legend Coupe. I even thought the first TL and RL were cool. Since then? Meh to bleh.
Greg_I
Hagerty Employee

I think this kills any leg up the Integra has over the Civic Si, which in my opinion wasn't much already. Now with the GR Corolla coming out and supposedly in the same price range, I think the Integra is dead to enthusiasts (not that it wasn't already) before it even arrives.

MoparMarq
Advanced Driver

Maybe my wife's old '92 Acura Vigor with the 5 speed manual, that I'm currently using as my DD, is not quite as lame as I've always thought it was...
TG
Technician

I bet there will be purists who will plunk down the cash, and I bet these will be sought-after cars by 2033
I unfortunately have to admit that since moving from my 3-pedal car to my auto-stick, I am very happy with it. I lose some of that tactile connection to the car, but I gain increased response and the option to slap the thing over into auto when I'm stuck in traffic. If a vacancy opens up in my garage down the road however, I will probably consider filling it with another 3 pedal car
GlockandRoll
Intermediate Driver

Honda has lost it's way. Gone are the days of affordable, ultra reliable cars. Now they are bloated with tech that doesn't work right, have gaudy styling, and way underpowered for the extra heft they carry around. The new Type-S vehicles could have been great, with another 100hp (at a min).
Sumrwhlz
New Driver

If car manufacturers want to bring back, or maintain, manual transmissions to appeal to the car enthusiasts in the world, I think they need to truly understand the enthusiast. I, for example, would much prefer to have a manual in the base model of a particular car and forgo all the technology packages, warning indicators, power seats, climate control, etc. Heck, I might even prefer manual roll-up windows. Maybe the mfrs should first survey those who prefer manual transmissions before building a car they think we will buy.  After all, we buy cars with manual transmissions because we enjoy driving in it's simplest form and don't want to be driven by technology. 

Fleetline2
New Driver

Every car should have a manual transmission option. Without a price markup, basic option as in past. So many automatics have problems and sealed automatic transmissions from the factory is not helping, poor people like to get good gas mileage too. Not just hybrids that double the price of the car.
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

This is too much for too little car. I realize cars are more expensive due to mandated safety tech and people want all sorts of electronic crap but this is ridiculous.

This is no Integra, it's a way overpriced Civic. You can get more performance for the money out there if you stay away from the Integra.
JohninNC
Instructor

Bring back the Vigor but with a lean, wide, low body, smooth v-6 and 6 speed manual!
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

The Accord Coupe with the V6 and a manual was a very nice unicorn in the market.

danhise
Advanced Driver

Having registered to buy a GR Corolla, it's good to see the experts make positive comments about it, but could you please dial back a bit from "bat-**bleep**-wonderful"? At that rate, the "market adjustment" will be in six figures. Just asking, ma'am. Ok, pleading.
Tinkerah
Engineer

I wonder if they'll use sales results from this to rationalize "See! No one wants manuals anyway!"
JSievers
Instructor

Well, that's a misleading headline. Sure you have to spend $5,000 more to get the MT, but that money also gets you get a whole bunch of desirable performance, electronic and cosmetic upgrades. I don't think an additional 16% added to the price is unreasonable for all the added goodness. Besides, Honda will likely have to amortize significant development and certification costs over a relatively small number of MT models, so can you really blame them for doing so in a fully-optioned car makes them a little more profit?
Grace
Hagerty Employee

but when you start with a bland product, there's only so much hot sauce you can add ....
GoFaster
Intermediate Driver

Yes
Gary
Detailer

First of all I would not pay extra for an integra period.
Geok86
Instructor

I’m at the age where I don’t want to drive any manual transmission vehicle in daily traffic situations….but I would have considered an automatic Integra….if only it were a conventional auto, or dual clutch…SIGH!