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Bryan
Hagerty Employee

Woodward Dream Cruise president is losing sleep, but not hope

Michael Lary hasn’t been getting a lot of sleep lately. Not since the president of the Woodward Dream Cruise announced last week that Detroit’s iconic collector car event is still planned for August 15, even as dozens of major summer events across the country have been canceled.

 

Lary says some mistook his announcement as careless—or worse, defiant—in the face of the current COVID-19 health crisis. That couldn’t be further from the truth. In an exclusive interview with Hagerty, Lary says canceling the event would be a hasty decision.

 

Read the full article on Hagerty.com:

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/woodward-dream-cruise-president-is-losing-sleep-but-not-hope/

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SamAdamsPaleAle
Advanced Driver

Hey, if anybody has an old plane ticket to Detroit, just give me a call. 

toddkraemer
Hagerty Employee

Nice write-up, Jeff. Fingers crossed!

jaysalserVW
Intermediate Driver

This is a sane way to look at things.   Life needs to continue.  Whether we lock ourselves into our houses or whether we get out and about --people still are going to sicken--and, unfortunately, some will die.    It's this way every Flu Season and I imagine no matter what we do, life will be about the same

sammyboy989
New Driver

Just wondering, in what flu season do 60,000 people die in a month? Maybe you don't have any vulnerable family members, but many of us do. And we don't want them to die because we aren't willing to make some sacrifices.

KwikDraw
Pit Crew

Just a note for sammyboy989 and others.  If you consider it too risky to go, then you don't have to go.  If you are a high risk person or have high risk family members, it is your responsibility to make the right decision for your own situation.  And, in 2017, the number of flu deaths was approximately 80,000.  And the CDC states that yearly flu deaths are estimated at between 12,000 and 61,000 for the years 2010 through 2019 (from CDC website).

 

kcreary
Pit Crew

A note to KwikDraw: Comparing to the flu death count is silly. Do the simple math. The flu numbers you're quoting are annual numbers. If you annualize the current COVID-19 number (72,000) you get 288,000 dead at current rates. Kind of a significant difference!

 

But you are correct that the decision to participate rests with the individual. So I wish you good luck and good health.

DAL
New Driver

Well spoken and thought out.  Wait & see makes sense! Gentlemen...start your engines!

dcJohn
New Driver

Some people seem to want some sort of guarantee of safety in order to return to life, and it simply doesn't exist. Never has. Never will. The restrictions and social distancing have accomplished their goal of flattening the curve, and now it's time to put our big boy pants on and assume a reasonable amount of risk in order to return to the lives we love. For a virus that is essentially another wave of the flu and has a fatality rate of less than one percent (and let's be clear every life lost is precious), I'm ready to take on that risk.

kcreary
Pit Crew

I think you're totally misunderstanding the numbers dcjohn. The numbers you reference for flu deaths are annual number, i.e. how many people die in one year. The deaths from COVID-19 have exceeded the typical annual flu deaths in the country  in just 3 months. And we're not even close to a peak in infections diagnosed.

 

The other number you cite (fatality rate of < one percent) is also completely out of context. To give it some context multiply 330,000,000 (the rough population count of the U.S.) by 1% and see what number you come up with. Too big? Halve that number and see if its still not huge.

 

Mr. Lary is correct in being cautious in saying the cruise will be dependent upon the status of the outbreak closer to the revised dates. But I, and others, will be keeping a close eye on the rates of transmission in the states we would need to traverse as well as the status in Michigan (which currently has one of the highest growing number of cases in the country.)

Stay safe and be well. But also be informed.

dcJohn
New Driver

I am informed thank you and the fatality rate I cite is accurate. Once again, the virus must be taken seriously, but there was no need to almost completely shut down our economy to deal with it. We are adding destruction and death with that one-size-fits-all, sledgehanmmer, hysterical approach. There was a middle ground, but it's too late for that. Draconian decisions have been made on models that have all proven to be wrong. Those who want complete safety can hide under their bed. The rest of us want our lives back and we deserve it.
kcreary
Pit Crew

Indeed, the rate for flu deaths you cited is correct. But you're ignoring the other points about the rate of deaths from COVID-19. Every credible source you can find will confirm that it is far more deadly than any flu. Also, we have not seen a "shutdown" here in the United States. We've seen a patchwork of actions, but nothing like the lockdowns other nations imposed, and which have successfully slowed, and in some cased, stopped the exponential spread of the virus.

 

Don't look at models. Look at the actual numbers of cases being reported by each state. Look at the infection rates by state and what you'll see is the vast majority are still increasing, not flat, not decreasing. We have not "flattened the curve" here in the U.S. overall by any measure. Yes, in certain locales, but not across the board. There will be "hot spots" for the foreseeable future. Take heed.

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We all want "our lives back" which is why some would rather suffer the short-term inconvenience rather than the drawn out, repeated outbreaks that we are inevitably going to face as we haphazardly stumble through the trajectory we're now on. Sadly, a virus pandemic can't be managed unless we all commit to managing it. Like it or not, we're in this together. If only 1/4 of businesses can come back because of continued outbreaks, who wins?

dcJohn
New Driver

"Every credible source you can find will confirm that it is far more deadly than any flu."

 

Can you cite one?

 

"Also, we have not seen a "shutdown" here in the United States"

 

Absurd. We've voluntarily put 30 million people out of work and we're approaching numbers worse than the Great Depression. "Economists at the Fed’s St. Louis district said in a recent analysis that the US will lose 47 million jobs, resulting in an unemployment rate of 32.1%, a considerable increase from the 24.9% unemployment rate during the worst point of the Great Depression." NY Post.

 

"Look at the actual numbers of cases being reported by each state." Even Dr. Bierx has concerns about the CDC's antiquated reporting system and fears that both the number of cases of the virus and the deaths from it may be over-reported by as much as 25%.

 

"which is why some would rather suffer the short-term inconvenience" People having their businesses destroyed, their jobs and careers destroyed and their lives destroyed is not an "inconvenience". Studies have shown that deaths from suicide, alcoholism and even cancer (because people can't afford to get the check-ups and treatments they need) go up during times of severe economic distress. These are not mere "inconveniences".

yardsale88
New Driver

Well, they don't have to attend the event.  Too bad some folks are just sheep waiting to be sheared and then they automatically go negative.   This shutdown is going to turn out to be a monumental blunder.   Instead of trusting us to protect ourselves, our families and businesses most "Guvments" blasted out draconian one size fits all lockdowns across the board instead of reasonable and measured restrictions that protected both the health and financial viability of their constituents.   The handfull that didn't are doing fine and even in California, the folks of all political persuasions are fed up with the Nazi decrees.   It will be interesting.   I am in California and would love to attend!

Good luck.

Sk1959
Intermediate Driver

A very prudent decision.

ATM
New Driver

Mr. Lary,

More power to you and your team and the decisions you are up against. Personally I support your way of thinking, as this is May and the Cruise/Show is in August. I think there's way to many events being cancelled way to far in advance. Seems to me some organizers may be looking at COVID-19 as being a way out of dealing with their event that they don't really have their whole hearts into, whether there's a virus or just an average year. I don't see car shows as being any different than Walmart's being open and 10 people all walking down the same isle towards you. Except I like what I'm looking at during a car show and not necessary what I have to look at in Walmart.

Punk
Detailer

We have an field meet here in Seattle of vintage English cars that I never miss. Its in late July and it has already been cancelled. The reason is not a lack of commitment. On the contrary. It takes a huge amount of work on the part of all the volunteers to get it ready and to put it on And in terms of ordering trophies, it takes quite a bit of money too. So the decision needs to be made now for those events because you can't wait and throw them together in the last 30 days or so. SO I am disappointed, but I respect their commitment just the same.

pj71chev
Passenger

Good for him! I think it’s good to wait and see. 

Foxfire1
Passenger

Reading the responses here will help me make up my mind. The uninformed, reckless and ignorant comments about “nazi decrees” and its “nothing more than the flu” will cause me to stay home. Good luck, Mr. Lary.

Rider79
Instructor

Unfortunately, in many states (such as my Illinois), the governors seem quite willing to usurp as much power as they can, without regard to what the legislatures (or populace) may think.  Michigan's governor seems to be another one intent on having things her way, regardless.  And, sadly, her comments have added an unnecessary air of spitefulness, to what may or may not be appropriate rules for the state.

Kemosabe
Pit Crew

Thank you for planning to continue.  We are not children and we can protect ourselves.  Last time I checked, it was easy to do social distancing in a car, assuming you aren't picking up non co-quarantine folks.  Wash your hands and don't stick your fingers where they don't belong and you will fine. If you are over 80 or have comorbidity stay at home.  Or I wasted a lot of money on a medical education

helman
New Driver

I grew up near Ferndale  between Livernois and Woodward.   I remember biking to Ferndale to visit a basement hobby shop run as a sideline by Mr. Ed Lutz and his wife.   I do not believe he was related to the auto executive though.  Back them all those dream cruise cars were just common place cars more or less.

jsfury
Intermediate Driver

Mr. Lary, I hope you have that Dream Cruise and that 100,000 cruiser show up to drive down Woodward Ave. I hope you raise a lot of money too. Maybe to find a real cure for this virus. I hope American Flags will be floating in the breeze of every cruisers time machine conveying our resolve to be free. God, would that I could be there. Maybe someday. Until then, good luck to you sir, and don't let them take away your rights to free choice, lest you be slaves to tyranny. 

Rider79
Instructor

Glad to hear someone with enough sense to wait a while, and see what develops.  Too many people, and organizations, are cancelling things in a knee-jerk manner, without waiting to see if cancellation will be needed.  Of course, a certain amount of time is needed to organize and put on an event, but many things are being cancelled long before that necessary go/no-go date is reached.

RJR
Passenger

Wait and see - what a Novell way to look at things. If COVID-19 is going to be around for a couple of years we better find a way to live with it or we will all go nuts holed up in the house, besides the ‘so called experts’ Have said warm weather and high humidity kill the virus. Welllll perfect august in Michigan !!!!!!!!

RJR

 

Oldsmobile1988
Pit Crew

Thank You Larry;

I'm glad you don't have the mindset that our latest governor has. People need to have things to look forward to. Take that away and there will be trouble in the streets!!!

 

farna
Detailer

Seems like a good call. They will cancel if things don't improve by the first of June. I'm sure attendance will be down, but as noted -- you're distanced by being in a car. It noted that spectators would be an issue though, and that is a concern. Let the communities control that. The big concern is people shopping and getting things to eat, and staying in hotels though. I suspect that if I were close enough to go cruise a bit then return home all in the same day, I might participate. It's a long haul for me, and I have other shows I'd be more interested in driving a long distance to, so I wouldn't be going anyway. I'm not planning on attending any big events this summer because of the situation, maybe a local cruise-in late in the summer/early fall. I'm not the only one, but people need to make their own choices -- as long as things have cooled down. Remember, just a few people traveling from China before this was known to be an issue spread it all over the world...