Please, give us ALFA guys a break! Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Alfa is a car.
I would have bought a 4C if they came with manual transmissions, but they didn't and I'm a member of The Manual Gearbox Preservation Society. So, after 50+ years of 101 and 105 series Alfas -- and despite being the founder of Scuderia Non Originale (SNO) -- I bought a Porsche Cayman S. The Cayman handles wonderfully, has two trunks, is comfortable and -- so far -- has required only routine maintenance.
Our 2005 Jeep had the 2.8 liter VM Motori motor and it was a wonderful engine, right up to 150,000 miles, when the head cracked. Finding someone other than a dealer to work on it was a problem and we all know that dealer rates are astronomical. It cost $1500 just for a stealership to remove the head and determine that it had become a doorstop. Even with the Jeep motor in pieces, a number of DIY mechanics were eager to buy it. Maybe the Jeep Liberty CRD should be on the rare and collectible list along with your choices.
You know, it's sometimes dangerous to paint with too wide of a brush, @Dan-S ! You say anybody who was around in the 1980s...and who experienced a Fiat firsthand will avoid them. Well, I'm an anybody who was around then (and well before), who had heard all of the hype about reliability issues, oil leaks, etc., etc., and still bought two - count 'em two! - very different Fiats and experienced NONE of the issues cited. In fact, was quite happy with them both (a 1971 850 Sedan and a 1980 2000 Spider), and wish I still had them. Would buy another Fiat in a heartbeat if presented with the right opportunity, based on my experience.
It is entirely possible that you have your own personal experience that makes you want to avoid the marque. It is entirely possible that others do too. But don't lump me in with yourself or that group, please and thanks. It's like someone who says "everybody knows _________". In point of fact, "everybody" doesn't know squat. A lot of people might, but "everybody"? Not possible.
So if you think Fiats are crap, you are welcome to your opinion. But based on two separate ownerships, hard-driving experiences spread out over an entire decade, I loved the cars.
I had lot's of experience, as a mechanic, working on FIATs(probably 100's of them), so I know firsthand about all the reliability issues. I'll admit, the 850's may have been the best of the bunch, but they, like their other FIAT brethren, suffered from wiring issues. The FIAT X1/9's(later Bertone as imported by Malcolm Bricklin) were notorious for having the timing belts go bad, prematurely. The first time around, some were still under warranty.
Then, there were the 124 Spiders and later Pininfarina(also continued by Malcolm Bricklin). These liked dropping timing belts and smashing valves The only improvement was switching to Bosch fuel injection during the 1980 model year. Maybe yours had this? It improved the reliability noticeably.
Malcom Bricklin had dabbled in the automotive business for years. He was the automotive industry's version of P.T. Barnum, relying on suckers to make him rich, although I think he took a hit on most every car he was behind. He brought us the Subaru Star, introducing Subaru to the U.S. He bailed before Subaru earned a good reputation in the U.S. He bailed on his his own Canadian-built U.S. powered SV-1 after only 3 model years. The Canadian government was bankrolling Bricklin and when it stopped funding Bricklin, the company went into receivership.
Then, looking for more suckers, started importing the 2 FIAT cars. Being friends with our local dealer, they got stuck with cars in their inventory and warranty repairs were not reimbursed.
Remember the Yugo? Still looking for suckers, Bricklin started importing them. That was actually a FIAT 127. Again, customers and dealers took a bath. When is the last time you saw a Yugo driving around?
Ever heard of the Chery car brand. Bricklin tried to import that Chinese-made vehicle.
Well, I guess you don't know about FIAT, but you are in the minority. There are still suckers around who will buy a FIAT-based car, but I've heard some horror stories. Look what FIAT has done to Chrysler. They are down to a few different models and Chrysler has seen it's glory days long ago. Today, they survive on Ram trucks, with the Cummins Diesel keeping them afloat. FIAT management stopped the use of the new small Cummins V8 diesel, which Chrysler had invested a ton of money in. FIAT, instead, decided to put their own V6 diesel in the Ram trucks. Many of these truck had to be bought back and unsold trucks couldn't be sold due to FIAT cheating on emissions.
In the meantime, Nissan has been putting that V8 diesel in their trucks and Cummins dealers are busy retrofitting other trucks and vans .
You really didn't get my point, did you? You actually thought I was asking you to give me a 500-word lecture on FIAT history, and to indirectly call me a sucker. Ah, well - it takes all kinds, I suppose. Have a good day @Dan-S !
Sure, I got your point, you are not everybody. Did you get my point(s), not just based on ownership of 2 FIAT products, but from working on 100's? I feel I know just a little bit more about FIATs than you.
It's great that you didn't experience any of the problems associated with FIATs, but, from my experience, that's a little hard to believe. But, guaranteed, the owner's of those 2 cars after you probably did.
I should have mentioned, of those 100's of FIATs I had worked on, quite a few of their owners handed us the pinkslips. All in fine, maybe we were their pissing posts. When we tried to get rid of these cars by sending them to a junk yard, they wouldn't take them. Before we figured it out, not to take the cars when someone tried to pawn them off on us, we ended up having to pay to have the FIATs hauled off and taken to a car crushing facility. WE ended up being the suckers!