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Hagerty
Hagerty Employee

What will the Scout EV mean for classic International values?

Though it has a strong cult following, the International Scout has always lived in the shadow of the Ford Bronco and Toyota Land Cruiser. Perhaps that will soon change. Volkswagen is apparently resurrecting the Scout as an all-electric pickup and SUV, making use the brand it acquired as part of its purchase of Navistar International in 2020.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/valuation/scout-ev-mean-for-international-values/
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Snailish
Instructor

Scout styling, etc. copied by Bronco became the iconic look of that niche of vehicle --at least in respects to the recent fad and what people are spending big dollars restomodding.

Scout name and presence has faded out of popular culture though. Bronco had many more years of production and a famous car chase... and did survive into the SUV age of mainstream car production.

VW the only thing that comes to mind even dancing into this territory is the Thing (type 181) which I would love to see come back. However, I see why if you own the rights to Scout you might put your money on that horse instead.

Most people under 40 will just assume VW is reviving their own old model (if they choose to market it that way). If they indeed go retro look, I think it does boost old Scouts by association.
SAG
Technician

Fords moto.
Make it 'Cheap' & out produce the competition.
GoFaster
Intermediate Driver

Most people have forgotten about the Scout name. This will just be another $120K electric SUV that weighs 8000-9000 lb. Move along, nothing to see here.
JGeske
Instructor

My dad had a Scout as I was growing up, but it sadly was eaten by WI rust. That thing was our hunting vehicle as it could go anywhere off road, and we have trails up here that are old narrow gauge railroad lines that are a great way to get deep into otherwise inaccessible woods. I will always remember how slow the crawler gear was. My dad once jumped out of the thing in the woods while it was crawling in 4lo, took a piss, and then took two or three steps to jump back in as it had only crawled a few feet while he was out of it.
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

I don't see the Scout name as a valid thing under VW. My like of old scouts would not be affected by a fake VW "Scout". I bet Scout values go up only because they are more affordable than a Bronco or a Blazer, Jeep, etc. and people want in on that type of vehicle and also for those who wants something that is not quite as "mainstream".
Snailish
Instructor

I've given this some thought, prior to this apparent VW Scout revival.

 

I think reborn brand/makes can be a great thing if they hold the identity and build the legacy. We know that auto companies struggle with this whether it be the 11 generations of Thunderbird (what kind of car is it this time?) or bringing back the Blazer name.

 

Stellantis for example, has a insane amount of intellectual property just tapping the former Chrysler and AMC brands (and I am not even sure if they own the pre-AMC IP as well) let alone the Euro side of that company.

 

But making an Imperial as a CUV mid level thing would be a total waste. It has to eat & beat the largest Cadillac or don't even buy a ticket to that prom.

 

Meanwhile... a Gremlin EV could use the exact same outer body dimensions and probably sell very well today.

 

VW North American history is pretty light on the kinds of things IH was known for. If it is truly done in the spirit of IH with VW smarts... Scout SUV, Scout trucklet and a full-size International truck could all be winners here. VW has a long history of savvy marketing... I think they could pull this off.

BMD4800
Gearhead

I had a Scout II for a few years. It was neat in theory, pretty lousy in practice.

One of the few vehicles I don’t wax nostalgic for
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

Just out of curiosity what went wrong with it?  I'm always curious on these things only because I have never known anyone who owned one personally.

BMD4800
Gearhead

It just wasn’t good.  It wasn’t bad, per-say, just not good.  304 was weak, body was low quality, lots of rust even in AZ.  Tons of aftermarket stuff to make it decent, but it was never good. IH and AMC of the era had such a hodge-podge of parts, hard to nail it down.  
Lift, OE axle swap, gears, lockers, tires.  Stock it was lame, lifted it could do decent trails, but the 304 was really weak.  Didn’t like to rev, on the Highway it sounds like it was ready to come apart and didn’t pull past 3200 rpm.  I mean, a little, but the engine just didn’t like life over 2800. Below that, it was great.   Pull from 400 rpm, no problem.  

always chasing the phantom IH leaks.   It just wasn’t good. 

SAG
Technician

I'd put my Scout II up against
the Bronco of Blazer of that period [1960 - 1990].
since "IH" fell off the grid [media hype] it lost favor.
They were as "Rusty" as the favored Bronco, but a stouter "Frame" & V8.
I'm a fan of both Bronco/Blazer [1968-1978]
BMD4800
Gearhead

K5, or a Grand Wagoneer from mid 80s on.  K5s are big girls, so they aren’t threading the needle like a CJ and the push pull steering is a problem if you stuff a tire, but the rest they are hands-down better.   Early Broncos with 44/9” are good, but they are small, cramped, and have limited range (fuel capacity).  78-79 are a good mix, 44/9”, 351/400M, NP435 or C6, but they are also members of the big girl club.   

ttb 80-96 Broncos are the worst of both worlds.   Stock, maybe, but off-road, the SFA swap is way better.   If you’re looking for a resto or stocker, I think I’d rather have a clean, uncut original with a inline and 3 on the tree.   

SAG
Technician

Like the "400M" in a PU
SAG
Technician

Own a "Sh*t load" of Jeeps.
1946-2018
hyperv6
Racer

IH has a small scope of fans. Also the older trucks did not fair well with rust or replacement parts. 

 

We may see a small uptick but these trucks are best left to the Farm collectors to have a truck for their tractor collection on Gone Farming. 

brb
Instructor

VW and IH are an oxymoron.
johnlangmaid
Pit Crew

Lousy in practice? IH engines were designed as truck engines, with a million mile rebuild schedule in the service manuals. Loadstars used them for years as dump trucks, redimix, etc.
Heavy, thick cylinder walls to accomodate overbores, and low revving (by design) with broad torque curves. Exactly what you want in an off road working truck. The valve springs would not allow for over-revving in order to protect the engine. They were the opposite of weak, as were the rest of the drive train components. Dana 44's on the scouts, and my pickups use a variety of either dana 60 or dana 70's. Borg warner sticks, or a 727 auto. I've even got a 5 speed overdrive in my 66 travelall-stock. Try finding that in another manufacturer. The sheetmetal is nowhere near as heavy as the earlier models, but comparable to any other make in the 70's with no more rust through. Frames were fully boxed, and didn't rust in two like the jeeps. I've owned several, and still own a variety of pickups and one travelall. Unfortunately, with the rise in prices I don't consider $30k economical for something that I'd like to still use off road. As for performance, my '75 3/4 ton 4x4 pickup with the 392 4bbl and 727, 4.10 gears is sneaky fast. Four wheeler's road test noted it as a 16 second quarter back in the day. For a truck, especially then, that's flying.