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Review: 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E | Hagerty Media

Let's get this out of the way first: This electric SUV is absolutely a proper Mustang-but it's a Mustang in the "1964 1/2 showroom riot" sense, not the "Mystichrome Terminator/GT500KR/Intercooled SVO" sense. Think for a minute about what the Mustang was on its debut. It was a fancy Falcon, a way for people to buy [...]
https://www.hagerty.com/media/new-car-reviews/review-2021-ford-mustang-mach-e/
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Julie
Community Manager

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mhealy1
Detailer

Once again, what fuel is used to generate the electricity for these “zero emissions” cars of the future? In some areas there’s a great deal of coal involved; in almost all cases it’s some sort of fossil fuel. Natural gas? Can you say “fracking”?
Don’t get me wrong-as the support infrastructure improves and the technology evolves, electric is definitely on my list-but for now the Ed Begley wannabes out there should check themselves and their “green” smugness.
BMC
New Driver

Around here these are nuclear powered cars, which is currently the ideal "green" energy source.

McBleedy
Pit Crew

There are other considerations, like the mining of metals and rare earth minerals required to produce new cars versus keeping the old ones running as long as possible. Planned obsolescence is fairly anti-green. If we were forced to keep our old cars running like Cubans in the embargo or Americans in the Great Depression, we'd have a lot less excessive consumption of resources. But to you other point, coal and natural gas will be phased out. In theory, the electric cars don't need to be upgraded, rather their central power source just gets switched to whatever comes next. However, given the "planned obsolescence" (especially with Ford) I wouldn't expect this car to last long enough for that switch to a green energy grid. Rather, they'd expect us to buy new ones requiring more mining of minerals and all that other carbon output required to produce new vehicles.
nobody
New Driver

So if you're out somewhere and your phone breaks or gets lost or the battery dies, now you're not just without a phone but also unable to drive home? If you go somewhere with valet parking, does the valet have to bring your phone back into you after it's parked? Do you have to leave your phone if you take your car to a mechanic or park in a city parking garage that requires you to leave the keys?

This is one of those strange trends that sets out to solve a problem that may not exist (when was the last time you heard someone complaining about the inconvenience of having a car key in their pocket?), and seems to do so without any consideration of the new problems that will result.
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

I hadn't even thought about the valet implications --- I will ask someone at Ford. That's nuts.
Studenorton
Instructor

Did nobody watch the remake of "Death Wish"?
Rider79
Instructor

And, some of us choose to NOT have smartphones, even though we could afford them.
McBleedy
Pit Crew

You almost have to accept a smartphone as an access device for modern society. I couldn't order food from a restaurant last year because my phone wasn't new enough and didn't automatically scan a QR code to provide the menu. They had no actual menus on hand.
McBleedy
Pit Crew

I hadn't even thought of that. So if my car is in the shop for a week, that means so is my phone. How do they call me to let me know it's done?
Tom7933
Pit Crew

I noticed a couple times in the article you started a paragraph calling it the Mach-E. That is totally fine, as that should be the name of this vehicle.
Not bashing on electric cars, or Ford, or crossovers. This is just simply not a Mustang. It's not a 2 door coupe. It's not a sports car. Therefore it's not a Mustang. Just my two cents.

If they called it the Ford Mach-E I would be praising it 10 times over.
spoom
Technician

Like a 4 door Charger 😉 This may be a very nice car, but Ford invites bile (like mine) by hanging the Mustang name on it. Very poorly thought out, and unfair to the engineers and designers who worked so hard on this new car with an old name, especially considering the Mustang name is and was still alive and well in an excellent series of, "current" (pun intended) Mustangs.
Tom7933
Pit Crew

Touche, you got me there with the charger. I was merely thinking Mustang when I referenced the 2 door couple cart. Agreed, it may be a very well made car and newly designed features that were thought out, so come up with a new model name.
McBleedy
Pit Crew

I feel I could slap a Mustang logo on my 68 Olds and it would be closer to an actual Mustang.
spoom
Technician

New Mustang, old Hyundai, hard to tell from some of the pictures. Still better than the Mustang II or Fox, I suppose.
MarveH
Intermediate Driver

I disagree, you can actually shift and drive a Mustang II or a Fox body, this is just a Sharper Image toy for those who love gadgets but hate to drive.
spoom
Technician

I was only referring to body style, my apologies for lack of a better description. This car is a Ford, for sure, but not a Mustang, any more than a Cayenne is a 911.
F360Spider
Detailer

What are they trying to do? Tie with Tesla for the ugliest car possible? This new "Mustang" looks like a faked up Model 3. Just another future trash can made in China.
Daves1800
Pit Crew

Nope - It's a stupid upside down vehicle that I have absolutely zero interest in...
archmark
New Driver

It's an E-car trying to gain some credibility & traction (ha) by absconding with the Mustang name. Just like the Harley "Livewire". It's as much a Mustang as the Livewire is a Harley. Welcome to the Green New World. Now, go hug a tree...
Numberscruncher
Detailer

That piece of **bleep** is NOT a Mustang and never will be. It’s a four door SUV with an electric power plant. The fact that it has four wheels is about all it has in common with a Mustang. - Proud original owner of a 1964.5 MUSTANG.
slphawk37
New Driver

Do Not use the Mustang moniker for an electric vehicle, this is a slap in the face to pony and muscle car enthusiasts. Use Fusion-E, Fiesta-E, or even Escape-E. Just don't blemish the great Mustang heritage with an electric vehicle.
JJP
New Driver

Its more like using a computer or smart phone (mini computer) for transportation rather than driving a car. I also don't understand the fixation with "infotainment' systems, I am in a car to drive somewhere and perhaps be entertained by driving it in the process. I am not in a car to be entertained just sitting in the driveway, parking lot or on the road by the "infotainment' system,
Rider79
Instructor

As if calling this a "Mustang" was not bad enough, that huge center screen is a deal-killer - just as it is in Teslas.
FPTiv
New Driver

The “massive center touchscreen” has the appearance of a table computer super-glued to the dashboard by a fourteen year-old. Hideous! Who is running the interior design department?
Oldimpala
Intermediate Driver

Just not a fan...

I'm sure it's perfectly fine as a means of transportation, but I never thought something with the "Mustang" name wouldn't evoke a reaction from me.

I think it's slightly more exciting than a turn of the 2000s Corolla or Camry, but is that really a benchmark? When you have to defend it as "not a bad car, really", and say it's relaxing, and not engaging to drive, I'm out.

Gas burner, hybrid, or electric, if you try to lull me to sleep, I want nothing to do with it.

I don't drive often, but when I do, most of my family trips involve some distance, so even rapid charges double the trip time. Add to that, I live in the Northeast, so climate in winter kills battery range. In summer, running AC does the same.

Do the Michigan based engineering staff realize these cars are only good for trips to the office, out for dinner, or the grocery store? I've seen the range deduction on my buddy's Model S.

It's why he traded on a Black Label Lincoln.

I'm seeing myself holding onto my current daily drivers a lot longer than originally planned.
ricerocket
New Driver

The only reason Ford isn't putting the final nail in their coffin with this is the green new deal and the democratic socialist republic of California and CCP influence on the DNC.
It will succeed, by force, not by anyone's desire to own it.
Rockem
Intermediate Driver

Hey dude.we're talking cars not politics.
KBetts
Intermediate Driver

Modern cars are all about politics. Green political agenda has driven the car industry since 1971. It's politics. Except for CO2, Hydro-carbons from passenger vehicles are essentially ZERO since the 1990's. The majority of California pollution comes via trade winds from China. FACT. The other political drivers are crash standards. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety lobby has pushed through regulations the mandate 35mph 1/5th offset collision standard. They did so to mitigate their highest cost which was personal injury (cost transferred to the vehicle owner). That standard has added up to 1000lbs and $10,000 to every vehicle. Surviveability of the 35mph standard completely determines the design of the vehicle. That's why vehicles are so heavy, have such poor sight lines, and keep the driver in a padded air-bagged restrained cocoon. Politics. Agenda. Cost transfer. The consumer is the sucker.
KBetts
Intermediate Driver

Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention the death of the manual transmission. Since regulations require that vehicles stay within pollution standards throughout their performance envelope there is a problem with manual transmissions. As the engine is at high revs when you push in the clutch, it dumps a bunch of unburnt fuel into the exhaust. The cat can't burn it all which is why you have a second cat. But with a manual transmission going from full load to no-load (clutch in) there is too much for emissions.... Bye Bye manual transmission.
McBleedy
Pit Crew

Politics is certainly part of the car industry, but we don't need to get into ranting arguments, which is where "socialist agenda" conspiracy theories will inevitably lead. Your response is civil (thank you for that,) but once someone takes it down the road of an accusatory political tirade about "the Democrats" and "socialist blah blah", we're bound to get to "Jewish space lasers are shooting classic cars!" before long. Best to avoid the political side overall.
avideo
Intermediate Driver

Not sure if I will like this car or not - since I have a 1969 Shelby GT350 in my garage; and have trouble identifying this car as a real Mustang.
Also - I despise my Apple iPhone and all the various apps being forced on us from NFL and MLB tickets to ID at some resorts. The whole idea that one needs to use a phone to simply operate this vehicle is a non-starter for me.
Beyond that - I will give this car a look at my local Ford dealer.
Lightning1
Detailer

So the "Greenies" get another electric to save the environment. The big corporate power companies need to make more generating stations. More coal, oil, natural gas, nuke and hydro electric generators and they make more money. But wait.... the environmentalists hate this stuff, especially the money grubbing electric companies. So is this electric thing just a big "Feel Good" movement? There is no Zero Emissions here, just different at a big cost.
majorbob
Pit Crew

It is hideous. I have always liked the Mustang but this is a total turnoff. A big rolling computer that does not deserve to be called an automobile.
KBetts
Intermediate Driver

Didn't read your article. As far as I can tell, no one cares if the "California Compliant Vehicle" has redeeming value. It's getting a huge Blah from the public. It's a driver's abomination. Ford had a tv ad that said they gave it their most recognized/regarded car name because they endorse the ideas behind this vehicle designed to meet government regulations.
Get it? Designed not for the consumer, not for technical excellence, not for performance.... but to meet government regulations.
Ford just took a dump on their long faithful customers and kissed the asses of the vacuous minion leaches in government.
To Ford I say what W.C. Fields said.... "Go away, kid. You bother me."
2Classics95N72
Intermediate Driver

Look; being an "Old Car Guy" and loving the "Classic Combustible Engine Models"; I truly understand and accept that the "Electric Auto" is coming and is the future means of self transportation; No Augment there;......BUT......for me, being that I'm just figuring out my Iphone, and have to call my grandkids when something goes wrong with my phone or computer; well at this point I don't see me jumping in this "Stang"! I have to laugh......my grandson just turned 16, when I was assisting teaching him to drive I wanted him to learn on a standard shift vehicle (it's a man thing); so I grabbed one of my "Classics", probably the easiest of all vehicles to learn "shifting" on, my "72 Super Beetle"; his remarks; "man this is difficult"....LOL, and you want me to drive this Mustang.....my remarks would b...."man this is difficult".
MFrancis
New Driver

OK ... all that being said ... it is still ugly. Call it a Mustang if you want to, but I have been around for the release of every Mustang and have owned my share of them. Even the junky looking Mustang II looked better than this thing. This is not a Mustang. It is a junky looking imitation of a Tesla. At least Tesla had the sense to make their car look good. This think looks like they bolted they bolted the computer screen to the dashboard as an afterthought. No thanks, Ford ... you blew it with this one.
mfp4073
Intermediate Driver

I've tried to like this ,but can't. Its an SUV no matter what you call it. With "soccer mom" written all over it. And as far as price is concerned. I'm standing by Lee Iacocca. When a sporty little EV shows up with beautiful lines and a reasonable price, I'm all in!
Rockem
Intermediate Driver

So, this is what the auto industry has come become.Taking a very moderm concept,witch has it's merits,and due to a lack of imaganation try to steal some of the glory of an icon.Ford I'm going to let you in on a secret.This car has nothing to do with a Mustang.If you want to launce a new idea you use a new name.
MarveH
Intermediate Driver

It sounds like you are damning it with faint praise.
Electric cars are the harbinger of the future death of enthusiast motoring. They will lead to self-driving cars and you will not be able to gas up your classic in California or New York and other places may let you buy gas at $100 a gallon. Tow your 62 Corvette to the car show in your electric truck, roll it off the trailer, and sit behind it in your lawn chair until it's time to go home.
It's is funny that I never hear any auto enthusiast site ever really criticize electric cars. Consensus is fine, it's even critical if you're a joined Siamese twin, but its a little creepy in journalism.
I'm interested in the technology and I'm glad an American company (Tesla) figures so prominently, but I'm not excited about shiftless, soulless, silent propulsion while staring at a big screen TV.
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

Since you're already on this site, you can click my byline and read multiple articles I've written expressing forthright skepticism regarding autonomous vehicles, electric vehicles, and combination of same, based on 25 years working in the tech business.
Spuds
Advanced Driver

Jack,nobody is buying this.You are backing a dead horse.
Studenorton
Instructor

Ford looked over the precipice, saw what was left of GM headed for a coyote-shaped hole in the desert, and spoke two words:
"Electric Mustang."
toddh9
Pit Crew

At least it comes in RWD. That was a nice surprise to me.
BillB
New Driver

Imagine if you will, the excitement and anticipation Ford could have created if they had coupled an exciting high performance e-drivetrain into an actual Mustang!! They could have leveraged an actual icon and provided an alternative for the Mustang market to purchase this technology. This is an Escape with some body panel tweaks. Sorry Ford.
sglmalt
New Driver

100% right.
tahend
Detailer

Looks like every other crossover on the road.
E_Ryan_Cheek
Pit Crew

I like how you compare the Mach E debut to the debut of the 1964.5 Mustang, and how it fit the niche in that era. I agree that the price point is off, but this vehicle is definitely a new Ford Mustang befitting the times. These strange, computer controlled, one pedal times. Not to say that I don't want one, but it's not tempting enough to trade-in my traditional three pedal with a combustion engine Mustang for one. Call me old fashioned but it's really just because I'm poor....
SycloneMt
Pit Crew

Another fail for Ford! What else is new. They should have called it "The Pinto."