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Hagerty
Hagerty Employee

Electric DeLorean due this August, Porsche ponders IPO, NHTSA probes 1.7M Hondas

Intake: A lot has happened in the world of DeLorean in recent months. The makers of the iconic stainless steel-bodied DMC-12 have split into two companies: DeLorean Motor Company, which sells parts for and restores the original DeLoreans, and DeLorean Motors Reimagined, the group that will be building a recently-teased EV inspired by the DMC-12.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/the-manifold/2022-02-25/
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tcchuck2005
Intermediate Driver

With an IPO I could say I own Porsche, even though I can't afford a Porsche.
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

I have more than a few 1:18 scale 911's, 944 and a Carrera GT, So I probably own more Porsche's than you. At least I can look at them and open the doors, etc. Probably the only way I will own a Porsche. :^)
drhino
Technician

All the electronic safety stuff has always felt like widow makers to me. But I’ve long known that all the folks that usually agree with me could meet in a phone booth. (Does anyone know what a phone booth is?)
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

An EV DeLorean without a Mr. Fusion is not a real electric DeLorean!

JGeske
Instructor

Now, this is pure speculation on my part (from some experience as my wife and I both own 2021 Honda vehicles currently, and I previously had a 2017 Honda with the system, as well as my wife's last car having a similar system, but not being a Honda), but I wonder if the issue is not a malfunction, but partly the owner/operators fault.

The only reason I say this is that the sensors for the system (it is a camera in the rearview mirror paired with radar located behind the Honda badge in the grill to the best of my knowledge based on Honda's info on the system) are easily confused by uncleared snow. I live in Northern WI, and on days in which I was lazy about completely clearing snow/ice from the upper windshield and/or grill, it can activate, but was resolved by clearing this snow. Hypothetically, if I failed to adequately brush snow off the roof (we have all done it) and the snow slides off the roof and onto the windshield during a braking or other maneuver (again, been there more than once), I could see a situation of the system unexpectedly activating (in its mind, the sudden obstruction of a sensor could be an imminent problem) for "no apparent reason" if you didn't know about the sensors' locations and how they operate. After you get rear-ended due to such a hypothetical situation, would you really take the time to go: "hmm right as that happened a small amount of snow slid down the windshield"? Probably not.

Now, a few weeks back in my work parking lot, I was pulling into a space, and my braking did cause snow to slide down the windshield, and the avoidance did kick in, so I have in fact experienced such a situation in my 2021. A contributing factor in this case was that, since I was pulling into a parking space with a vehicle in the space in front of me, the radar was sensing a close object (within 3-4 feet) at the exact moment the camera was obscured.

Now, I certainly think that if my theory is the case, then Honda should consider re-programming the system to ignore brief obstruction of a single one of the 2 sensors to mitigate the situation (or add a 3rd sensor or make the sensors able to "see" through snow if such a thing is possible), but again is it a flaw in the system, or operator error, or both? Although 278 occurrences is alarming, but considering this is only 0.016% of the 1.7 million vehicles recalled, and they are likely driven daily multiple times (let's say for argument's sake the vehicles are driven 3x daily on average and are 3-5 years old for the amount of trips that accounts for) we are talking 278 occurrences over around 7.5 billion drives. That is not a statistically significant amount occurrences.
DaveA
Instructor

The sentence: “ The makers of the iconic stainless steel-bodied DMC-12 have split into two companies” has a few errors.

1) The body isn’t stainless, it’s Glass Reinforced Plastic. The stainless panels are just thin decorative panels bolted onto the GRP (with the exception of the doors).

2) The car was never sold as the DMC-12. That was the pre-production name and it just kind of stuck. No official DMC documentation ever referred to the car as the DMC-12 once production began. That’s why you don’t see “DMC-12” on the car, in the owners manual, in advertisements, on the certificate of origin or the Monroney label. DeLorean wanted his name on the car, not a bunch of letters and numbers.

3) The makers of the DeLorean went out of business in late 1982, closing the doors to the factory for good in early 1983. Many years later the company in Texas purchased the rights to the name. They have no affiliation with the original company in Northern Ireland.
Maestro1
Technician

Very interesting regarding Porsche. Apparently the way the article is written the Porsche Family will still have a controlling interest in the new Firm, along with VW.
The caveat would be this: I wonder if this is the right time what with the conflict in the Ukraine and the USA sitting on its hands.
Oldroad1
Technician

That's what happens when manufacturers allow cars to make driving decisions.