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Hagerty Employee

Chevy's Silverado EV boasts 400 miles of range, 780 lb-ft of torque, and a nifty midgate

If there were any questions about whether Chevrolet would respond to crosstown-rival Ford's all-electric F-150 Lightning, consider them answered. Chevy's come out firing with an all-electric light-duty pickup of its own and, from our first look at the Silverado EV, it's clear that the Bowtie brand isn't backing down from the next generation of the truck wars.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/chevys-silverado-ev-boasts-400-miles-of-range-780-lb-ft-of-torque...
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Oldimpala
Detailer

I'm in Buffalo. Similar problems here.

A close friend with (now older tech) a P90 Dual Motor 300mi range Tesla Model S would get about 120 miles, with the cabin and battery heaters on.

I'll stick with my LS swapped squarebody for a while for truck duties, and the ICE Benz wagon for hauling people thanks.
MoparMan
Advanced Driver

WHY do all the newest designs have to be so freakin' UGH-LY?? I realize that it's a subjective thing, but once again, it appears that there is 6' from the top of the hood to the bottom of the bumper! Oh, and it also appears that one will not be able to reach easily into the truck bed from the side, due to the jacked up height!
KYColonel
Detailer

Everything GM designs these days is butt ugly, including the C8.
hyperv6
Racer

Is that why there are so many C8 back orders and so many paying over sticker for it?  GM would have loved to had that problem with he last 4 C models. 

Oldroad1
Technician

There is a Butt ugly seat for every Butt stupid A$$.
Utopia1
Detailer

To stay true to the Avalanche concept, I hope the mid-gate rattles and leaks just like the old one did.
CoreyG
Intermediate Driver

I had a 2008 LTZ never had a problem and used it quite a bit always kept teh seals clean.
OldCarMan
Instructor

In the Tom Gale Golden Era of Design ca. 1987 or so, they had a Dakota pickup concept called Rambo, that had the back of the bed folding up, to make a larger extended bed.
Nothing new here, move along...
hyperv6
Racer

Actually this platform is perfect for it as it is many times more stiffer than the ladder frame. That is why I think they Brought it back now vs in the past. 

 

It really makes these short beds valuable  as you can really use them vs the Maverick that holds a ten speed with the gate down. 

Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

The Silverado exterior is a big departure from the gas powered truck. It looks substantially better on the exterior. Towing? I'm sure like the Ford it will drop the range substantially. Anyone looking to tow anything serious will need a gas powered truck. For the suburbanites buying trucks to do nothing a truck could be used for this may be perfect.
JGeske
Instructor

Exactly. Strategic Vision did a survey of 250k truck owners in 2019 and 75% reported they never trailered, or only pulled a small trailer 1 time per year. 70% said they never or only 1 time a year went off-road. I would imagine the target market for this falls 100% in that 70-75% of truck owners. They will all want the RST, not the WT, so would only get 1300lbs of payload (the one part of the truck they do use, with the survey having 65% use the bed more than 1 time per year) for their 107+ thousand dollars (before you add accessories like running boards and such).

Since they don't tow or go off-road, but do use the bed, you could max out the Honda Ridgeline Black Edition with every single accessory and dealer addon, get 256lbs more payload and no charging/range anxiety, for $53k. Literally half the cost and no less utility (since they don't tow anyway), and the still have the ability to put a bed cap or aftermarket tonneau on it since the Gen 2 Ridgelines lost the angled sail pillar.
OldCarMan
Instructor

This survey only confirms the posing by buyers of trucks and is identical to one done for Jeep for the Wrangler program. Only serious, hard-core people use them as capable. The rest are just pretenders!
JGeske
Instructor

Precisely. As Honda Ridgeline owners have pointed out for years, correctly as it turns out, their truck is sufficient for the way 70% of truck owners actually use their trucks. Now, for the Chevy EV, why would I fork out $107k for an RST with only 1300lbs of payload, on the justification of just wanting a flashy pavement princess, when I can (per a search on Auto Trader here in Wisconsin) get a 2022 Sierra Denali with the Technology Package, Denali CarbonPro Edition package, and Driver Alert Package II (whatever the frick all of those do) for $86k here in Wisconsin today? That is more capability, more flashy (I mean, it's the fricken CarbonPro Denali), and buy a **bleep**-ton of gas for it with the $20k savings. What is the purpose?

Tim2
Pit Crew

Something doesn't ad up here. The 5.7 in my ram is down 125 HP and 210 ft/lb less torque than the WT, yet my ram can tow 2,000 lbs more.
Oldimpala
Detailer

Adds up perfectly.

Battery is heavy. Cuts into your towing capacity. It's why a lot of older 4WD trucks were rated a few hundred pounds lower than their 2WD stablemates.

Here's the other thing, ask me which one will probably function like new in 20 years (with obvious maintenance.) Your ICE powered Ram/F-Series/C-K Chevy, or it's electric friend?
TonyT
Technician

Somehow, I don't see a contractor building a house in east outer Nebraska embracing this or any EV as a principal work vehicle. The infrastructure is lagging and I don't see charge points keeping pace with vehicle sales. Four trucks at one charging station means more than a ten-minute wait to get some juice. And even in the cities, truck owners will be competing with electric cars for a taste of ohms so that they can get on with their day. I still think a hybrid is a better choice.
Classic57al
Pit Crew

When will they learn. After the Avalanche, Honda Ridgeback, and Subaru Brat, no one likes a bed you can't put caps on. And I'm not talking special dealer only caps. Not for me. Too bad. Liked most of the rest of it. Function over Form when it comes to trucks.
JSievers
Instructor

Do they still sell pickup caps? If you want an enclosed bed buy the SUV version of the truck.
OldCarMan
Instructor

The ONLY reason to buy a pickup is to haul manure! Wouldn't want to stink up your cute ute or big ol' van!
Jimmyo
Intermediate Driver

Saying these trucks don't sell well because they don't have caps is like saying Lincoln can't sell cars because they don't offer landau roofs. Besides, they do sell caps for these trucks.
DUB6
Specialist

   Finally someone who zero'd in on my peeve - not only do the sail C-pillars look silly to me (trying to look like a sedan?), but they seem to be highly impractical for a work pick-up.  I had hopes that the "fleet" version might correct that, but if there's a model WP that is supposed to be purposed as a Work Pick-up, and they are still there, I'm figuring that the fleet model will not be any more useful (or attractive) for me.

   The cost/charging/cold/maintenance/taxes/etc. arguments can go on all day - and they will - but unless I can like the looks and see the practicality of a pick-up truck, I'm not even going to spend any time worrying about the rest of it.

   Sorry, Chevy - this gets a D- in my book.  As mentioned in the article, what's up with you guys, RAM?

Patrician
Detailer

My family has owned GM cars since the beginning of time. I can tell as a mechanic of 50 years since the bankruptcy they make some real garbage. My last two Suburbans 2017 and 2020 are junk compared to my 1990, 1996 and 2004. The major problems I have had with the 17 and 20 unheard of. Why are their vehicles garbage. Outsourcing to the lowest bidder. Prior to 2008 GM practically made the whole car except for the tires. Whenever at my repair shop business we get GM parts from the dealer you would be hard pressed to see made in USA on the box. The parts come from some places I never heard of. Barra has done a wonderful job. Outsourcing, feeding the mechanics at dealerships to the wolves by cutting factory warranty times so low nobody wants to work there. GM used to be the best engineered and easiest vehicles to work on. NINETEEN HOURS TO CHANGE A STARTER ON A 4 WHEEL DRIVE V6 COLORADO. TEN HOURS FOR A THERMOSTAT. Is the GM engineering department working for the competition to destroy GM? .My friend who used to work for me is now the service manager at a Toyota/ Lexus dealer. He has told me over and over "Our cars don't come back". It killed me but when my son needed a new car we bought a new Toyota. Not a single problem with the car in 18 months. I could never imagine buying a foreign make of vehicle but I bit the bullet.. Buy an electric vehicle from GM? Wasn't the Chevy Bolt the only electric car with exploding batteries??? Who made those batteries? Obviously not the supplier to Toyota on their hybrids.
DAY
Detailer

Couldn't have said it better!! I got a 2020 V-6 powered Silverado Custom and the back up camera developed a Fish Eye look Before I even got 3,000 miles on it, that hampers backing due to the distortion. Every dealership I go to tells me that is normal on the Custom model. Funny, it wasn't like that when I got it. Done with Chevy. Everyone says the V-6 at least doesn't have the valve problem the V-8s do. If I ever buy something else, it will be a Toyota!
Oldroad1
Technician

If your speaking of valve problems on the V8s I would assume you are speaking of the Active Fuel Management (AFM) system on some of the LS engines. AFM, when operating normally, works very well and is great for consistent hwy fuel mileage. However if not maintained it will malfunction. To keep this system up to tasks 3k oil changes are critical, you can't let the oil get dirty. Use only 5w30 conventional.
JAG
Detailer

Great looking vehicle but just call it an Avalanche! Marketing morons think extending the Silverado name is important. Ask Ford how the Bronco Sport is working out. They forget that there are thousands of Avalanche owners who love the vehicle because it is NOT a Silverado and have been waiting to buy a new one since 2013. These buyers also have $$$ (which you will need) because the Avalanche was the most expensive non SUV sold. The shot gun price blast is a joke. So is it $105,000, $39,900 $50,000, $60,000, $70,000 ect. As always 400 mile range? Not with a trailer or below 32 F. Ask the people stuck on I95 in Virginia how well they did in a 15 hr shutdown.
DaveA
Instructor

The Bronco Sport outsold the Mustang, Expedition, Edge, and Ranger last year. I’d say it did well during its first full year of production.
DAY
Detailer

They tell you your electric will lose 20% of it's range below freezing, and you don't want to discharge it below 20% when it is freezing, SO BELOW FREEZING MEANS YOU LOSE 40% CAPACITY RIGHT FROM THE START, so, NO THANKS. You know everyone of those stuck on that I-95 fiasco DRAINED their batteries, and then the cold destroyed them! New batteries are 15 grand AND UP! I'll keep my gas engine vehicle as long as I can.
DaveA
Instructor

I think your “40% loss” is a bit off. Just because it’s not recommended to go below 20% power when it’s freezing does not mean that you can’t (is that a recommendation from a specific manufacturer?). 

Also, batteries may be expensive for some models, but not all. A Toyota Prius battery runs about $3,000 and will probably last you 150,000 miles. I’m willing to bet that by the time the average gas powered car reaches 150,000 miles you’ve spent about $3,000 on maintenance that an electric vehicle wouldn’t need (timing belt, oil changes, spark plugs, water pump, etc). So it kind of evens out.

 

gtabert
Pit Crew

I'm all for electric, but every leap and bound of the next best thing makes the old version, whether within the family or a competitors, worth less and less. It's bad enough to spend ten's of thousands on a depreciating asset to begin with, now with electrics improving on mileage and charge rates seemingly yearly or quicker, who will want to buy used older tech when something better is now available, thinking even quicker depreciation will result.
JGeske
Instructor

Ok, 1st off I do like the looks and overall package, especially the return of the mid-gate. However, I do think they may have wanted to bring back the Avalanche name in that case to differentiate from the Silverado. Silverado EV doesn't have a slick sound, and the looks, the mid-gate, as well as unibody with sail pillars, make the Avalanche name more appropriate IMO. Also, that would allow a Cadillac Escalade EXT to make a showing again.

That said, I wonder if this unibody, 4 wheel independent suspension, sail pillar on the bed, AWD vehicle with a (looks like) composite bed and 1300lbs of payload get the same hate that the unibody, 4 wheel independent suspension, sail pillar on the bed, AWD vehicle with a composite bed and 1500lbs of payload Gen 1 Honda Ridgeline got? I think the hate on the Honda was (and still is) misplaced as it adequately serves the needs of a large portion of the truck segment who are over-buying capability.

I think that, as with the Maverick, what was poked fun of when Honda did it will suddenly be cool and acceptable with a Chevy or Ford badge up front.
JGeske
Instructor

Wait, someone contact the GM marketing team, I have got it! Name it: The EV-lanche! As well as the Cadillac EV-scalade EVT.

69RoadRunner
Pit Crew

Sorry, it looks like a Honda Ridgeline
zappafanx
Intermediate Driver

Exactly, ugly as an Avalanche.
No thanks
brians356
Advanced Driver

But what's its real-world range when ambient is near zero degrees, or 100f with the A/C blasting?
DAY
Detailer

EV batteries lose 20% of their range below freezing, and they also tell you Do Not discharge below 20% to keep from damaging the batteries when it is Below Freezing. SO, Right off the bat, you LOSE 40% battery usage below freezing!! Ask any of those folks stuck on I-95 in an EV how it worked out for them!! NO EV FOR ME!!
Historian
Detailer

Nope, don't care, and wouldn't have one for free.
JBBearcat
Detailer

Neat.
But at the risk of being called:
A Luddite
A climate change denier
A reactionary
Before we all jump on the EV bandwagon, can I ask...
Where is the electricity coming from?
Are the batteries sustainable (what is their carbon footprint for production, transport and end of life) or are we simply shifting one environmental headache for another?
Has anyone priced replacement costs?
Will a EV truck work in Fargo in the winter?



Sutton12
Intermediate Driver

There is no doubt that automotive OEM's are making great progress with electric vehicles. Trucks that can haul and pull as well or better than their gas powered cousins is commendable. A range of 400 miles is also encouraging. I wonder how much interior heating and air conditioning will reduce the range. Before I get out my wallet I need more confidence in the battery component. This is a show stopper. I have read that the metals that are used in these batteries has to be mined at a mind racking pace. The mining of these metals will cause way more environmental concern than the petrol equivalent. I have read that it take about half a million tons of mined soil to make up enough Li, Cd etc., etc to make one battery. What about recycling and the H2SO4 and other chemicals that remain in dead batteries. Multiply that by the number of vehicles on the road today and the story becomes very foggy. Hopefully the OEM's will start putting their resources into "battery technology" before going full scale.
MATTMERICA
Technician

You should also add that fortress America doesn't have the ability (resources in the ground) to actually make our own batteries. But we know which communist country does. It is the same one that produces more greenhouse gasses than the rest of the world combined.
Straight6Heroes
New Driver

According to some sources, Chile is home to over half of the world's lithium reserves, with other major producers including Australia, Argentina and China. Australia is by far the world's leading producer of lithium. South America is more associated with brine deposits, while Australia is the leading producer of hard rock lithium.
The US has some known Lithium reserves within its borders but not a lot. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/268790/countries-with-the-largest-lithium-reserves-worldwide/.
However, we are early in the evolution of a "Battery-based" economy and technology may change radically over the next 10 to 30 years. There are alternatives to the current lithium cells but they're unproven (primarily in terms of scaling up manufacturing.)
See also https://www.ig.com/uk/trading-strategies/what-are-the-best-lithium-stocks-to-watch--200824 to get a sense of all the companies (some American) going for this business.
Wrongarm
Pit Crew

Same crap, different manufacturer! So in GM’s “honest speak” 400 mile range vs. 300 Ford touts. If any common sense is applied (that’s in short supply today), the numbers are under extremely optimal condition. From articles I’ve read the Ford 300 mile numbers are a stretch, no doubt GM’s are too! Beware, this number is likely only applicable to the $105k version. In my 40+ years of electronics covering industrial to medical application, battery technology has improved significantly but we are far from anymore than a daily work commute vehicle, if that much. The quick charging mentioned in the GM most certainly has a detrimental effect on the batteries, principally their life / early failure. What a horrendous $$$ to pay for a vehicle that is still only per ported to have a range of a half of a days driving range of travel without charging. And a side-note, with recently publicized issues with our countries electrical grid from the current energy load demands, where is all the additional power going to come from? I think we have a serious cart-ahead-of-horse issue that is being ignored.
zappafanx
Intermediate Driver

How come the release doesn’t mention range under tow load? Answer: Because it’s abysmal. These trucks will be useless to the real world except for city dwellers running to the grocery store or dog park. Butt ugly as well, looks like a resurrected Avalanche. Think I’ll pass on looks and function. And I’m a Chevy guy. Sad. Oh and the price point(s) don’t help the matter.
mfp4073
Detailer

Nice, Now shrink it by about 25%. ( About the Mavericks size). Lessen the available and potential power output by half, moving the distance to about 700 miles range and we would have the perfect truck! (Smaller. less power, more range!)  It may not pull a cement truck then, but it would get me to Home Depot and back easily and make long trips more efficient.

Inline8OD
Instructor

BBearcat, daveott3 and others above make good points. The above is pathetic, marketed at little boys, regardless age. You can't have a four-door sports car pick up truck. The above is even more moronic than when that hick Bill Mitchell told his designers he wanted, for what became the '63 Buick Riviera, "a Ferrari Rolls-Royce."

How many times a year are you pulling a trailer or boat? So rent a truck. Do you know how dopey you look bombing around in the above Legomobile? This is what happens in a society of spoilt "having-it-all" brats with no knowledge or exposure to automotive history, when the bloated creatures in Pixar's 2008 WALL-E are now the lame stream citizens; fully a third of Americans clinically morbidly obese.

 

 How many people driving the above could run half a mile without collapsing?

Over the past 120 years, thousands of car companies were allowed to fold. The above nonsense from the company whose executives flew to Washington in 2008 in their private jets to pick up their Welfare--- oops, "corporate bailout checks" at our expense. The same company that sued the US govt. for War II Allied bombing damage to their German Opel plants.

EVs are of course smart,  at the turn of the previous century, comprised 38% of all cars on our nation's roads, steam 40% -- Bill Lear(jet) was working on modern variant before he died in 1978-- only 22% internal combustion, so we're only making a belated u-turn.

But the real threat to internal combustion, and private cars in general, remains overpopulation, and something most people do not want to face, what they eat. UN and other vetted studies show animals raised for meat and dairy produce more greenhouse gas than all the world's cars, trucks, buses, trains, planes, ships combined.

Without tax incentives to have "one or none," or to adopt, and do something that hasn't hurt the world's leading Grand Prix driver, Lewis Hamilton or 77-year-old rocker rodder Jeff Beck in the least, going vegan, we'll all be left with silliness like the above; future wars over not just oil, but copper, fresh water, lithium. 

You'll also vastly reduce likelihood of heart attack, diabetes, hypertension, cancer, arthritis, osteoporosis, macular degeneration, cataracts,  dementia and Alzheimer's,  so you can see where you're driving and remember where you left your car keys.

 

EV batteries, heavy metals, e-waste now merely shipped off to Asia, where it finds its way into ground water, all marine life now containing some levels of toxins and plastic.

Norway is banning all i.c. cars, collector cars included, in three (3) years, 2025, the rest of Scandinavia 2030, the European Union 2035, France and England, for now, holding out 'til 2040, 2050. Until we take personal responsibility, here in the US, expect -- at the very least -- evermore surcharges and nuisance fees.

What real car guy would be caught dead in the above kindergartener's dream truck?  Will there be a Dale Evans edition of the above four-door useless shortbed let's play house for suburban cowgirls, too?   "Silverado."  Some people will buy anything.  The gold and silver rush have been over for a century-plus.

Get it together, kids.

 

And aren't the above press releases purveyed as articles something we can get from Motor Trend and Car and Drivel?

DAY
Detailer

So, back when the Prairies were Completely Covered in Bison,, WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE GLOBAL WARMING BACK THEN? The current climate 'change' is due to the Precession of the Equinoxes. The earth wobbles on its axis and the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn are much farther North and South than a hundred years ago! Do some research to see what is really going on.
Inline8OD
Instructor

Pick 'n' choose,  out of context, dated info via tawk radio and Fox "News" is at loggerheads to every scientist on earth not overtly or covertly funded by a carbon company. Suggest you join the rest of us working toward a world where we can still enjoy our internal combustion collector/special interest/"Classic"(whatever that means) or out of Kelley Blue Book hobby cars.

A 2019 poll of 11,000 scientists reported in the Nov. 5th Bloomberg.com news showed agreeing overpopulation the world's biggest problem, this up from a 2013 poll of 2,000 UN scientists who came to the same conclusion, their words, "bigger than climate."

All else is lost motion 'til we focus on the overarching cause of climate change and all our other maladies: overpopulation.

Eight (8) billion people on earth--a third of a billion here in the US -- all burning some form of carbon on a planet so small the towers of the Verrazanno and other suspension bridges are out of parallel to reflect the earth's curvature, something's gotta give.

Beware of feverish spin and denial from those whose business model so weak it depends on evermore people for more mall fodder and cheap labor. Every nation with declining birthrate has increased GNP per capita.

Suggest you read something beyond car mags and listen/watch something other than the above reactionary media. Head in the sand, passing the buck to historic fluctuations ensures our cars banned in a few short years.

Continue sniping, or try to see the big picture.

limoguy
Detailer

Currently (no pun intended) electric vehicles occupy a niche. That will be true for the foreseeable future, the plans of auto executives and politicians notwithstanding.
TheModelCitizen
Intermediate Driver

I wish I could agree, but I am not sure I can.

Personal feelings aside, what is happening here - like it or not - is a transformation of automakers' car lines. They are not building those battery factories to have them sit idle.

The chip shortage and supply chain issues have given automakers a taste of a world where cars can be priced high and every one sold. (GM admits as much by saying they concentrated on high profit vehicles.)

As for politicians, have you seen the latest MPG proposals carmakers must meet? Going electric will have to figure in meeting those targets. And don't underestimate the value of having clear long range targets for executives. Would you rather run GM and know that everyone is going to have to go electric or hope that you guess the future better than your competitors?

It remains to be seen how consumers will react. So many of these new electric models are priced so far beyond the average price of a new car that I wonder how many will sell. Or for that matter, how many people will take their new car to a gas station only to discover it is electric.

Just to be clear, I am not pro or anti electric. For some people they may be a great choice. For others, I get it that they are not. Personally, I would most benefit from a PHEV. But I am just offering my read of the politics and business landscape here and I see the push to electric as being more of a runaway train than people think.
farna
Advanced Driver

Old tech is GOOD in a truck, especially a work truck. My wife's 2013 has TOO MUCH STUFF on the steering wheel and display! Easy to get distracted while trying to remember what everything does. The less to distract the driver the better, but then I suppose you can put it on SuperCruise while you try to figure it out. Just give me the basics -- what I REALLY NEED and leave the rest out.

By the way, did anyone else note that this i really an updated Avalanche??
spdfreak
Intermediate Driver

20K is a lot of money to most people - and just to get 400 miles range? 20K will buy a whole lot of gas, just sayin... I really wonder what the cost will be to replace batteries when they are out of warranty- another 20K? There are already guys blowing up their Teslas when they need a new battery pack. At some point it is just arithmetic.
I know there is a lot of money floating around in the upper income brackets since the fed dropped 5 trillion dollars into the economy but what is the market really going to be for 80-100K trucks, long term? I have a small business restoring vintage motorcycles so I always need a truck. Pretty sure my next truck will be a Maverick hybrid not a full size EV truck because 30, 20 or even 10K will buy a lot of gas.