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Hagerty
Hagerty Employee

Big screen for 3 Series, China patents classic Mini ripoff, traffic fatalities highest since 2005?

Intake: Four (model) years into the seventh-generation (G20) of the 3 Series, BMW is giving its compact luxury sedan some exterior design tweaks and significantly upgraded interior kit. Thankfully, the two-tier headlamps of the 2022 X7 are absent from the refreshed 3 Series, which gains squintier DRLs above a more heavily creased lower fascia.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/the-manifold/2022-05-18/
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CitationMan
Gearhead

There will be a backlash against these big screens. Trendy now, but people will not want to live with them long term. The larger the screen, the cheaper the interior looks. Most people don’t keep their cars clean, and having fingerprint filled germ catchers staring you in the face every time you get in the car is just gross.
The NHTSA reasons for rising fatalities do not ring true.
JGeske
Instructor

Yeah, that new big screen looks absolutely tacky compared to the old. I expect better from a brand that charges as much as they do.
Tinkerah
Engineer

I'd rather have more cup holders than the biggest screen. Suction cups work great on touch screens, right?
CitationMan
Gearhead

I like how you think.

fueledbymetal
Advanced Driver

You can’t leave out Robert Downey Jr.’s awesome BMW 3.0CS restomod . He’s definitely a true car enthusiast!
Jfslater98
Intermediate Driver

The dealers must have threatened to switch to Benz unless the factory produced a nose that didn’t scare small children.
JB
New Driver

DUI's account for about half of fatalities...that's usually left out. Drug use in Oregon is way up and it is reflected in fatalities but not talked about by our news people.
JGeske
Instructor

Finally, people are realizing that recent trends in "Macho" truck designs aimed at their (now) core buyer demographic of urban dwellers that don't actually need a truck, are off-putting to the rural and suburban people that actually need trucks and used to be their core demographic when trucks were functional and not grocery getters.

I know this is an inflammatory statement, but I live in rural WI and there is nothing more annoying on the highway than someone driving a gaudy Sierra Denali or Silverado High Country (or worse a lifted F250 diesel with 22in rims, a smokestack, and low pro tires with a "Custom Offsets" sticker in the window) that doesn't even have a hitch, and who has little to no experience in a vehicle that size, nearly hitting people in their blindspots.
Tinkerah
Engineer

I have inflamed many with comments just like yours JGeske. Just today I chuckled at a short bed dually struggling to stay between the lines. No one around my way will consider a truck that doesn't scream "4X4" in characters at least ten inches tall.
JGeske
Instructor

It's not just trucks either. Up here in Northern Wisconsin, we obviously get a lot of snow, which is why a lot of people try to justify having a 4wd (ignoring that for snowy highways an AWD Subaru with snow tires would be more useful for commuting). I have a coworker, she has a lifted Wrangler with all the off-road trimmings, even a winch, that has never been off-road. Last winter, she was stuck in the parking lot during a snowstorm. I went to help her and asked if it was in 4wd, SHE DID NOT KNOW! She has owned a Wrangler for 3 years and doesn't even know how to put it in 4wd! FFS why is she buying an off-road kitted vehicle when she clearly has never taken it off-road and didn't even know how to use 4wd! I respect people buying what they want, I mean let's face it a Ferrari/G-Wagen/Caterham 7/etc is not exactly a practical purchase either, but at least know how to use the vehicle you bought!

Tinkerah
Engineer

Oh I can answer that question JGeske. She bought it for the image, end of discussion. Everyone has 4X4 around here (except us out-of-touch outliers) but you only need it to get through your driveway, the plows are spraying sparks before the first flake falls.

hyperv6
Racer

The big screens are here as most mfgs are tied to putting most systems through them. They work fine and are more advanced but they kill the styling of the dash. Oh and the finger prints…..

 

I like how GM has handled this with screen horizontal and they retain the buttons and knobs for things like HVAC while they also are on the screen. 

As for trucks most mfg have offered the chrome version and the mono chrome version. GMC and Chevy have offered both for decades. Toyota did not just invent this. 

As for truck sone have a right to not like them but that is what people like and want. They live with you so learn to live with them. 

As for accidents much has happened with int increase in drug use. Legalization and illegal both are major problems on the highways. My local crime blotter is loaded with people under the influence of pot and other drugs crashing and being arrested for OUI and drug possession. 

Even those high school girls who pulled out in front of the truck and were killed in MO. The driver was impaired by pot. They all died. 

Even worse is how mild drugs are laced or tainted with others and so many are dying from overdoses. It is so sad that people have no self control and are paying the ultimate price. Worse is when they do it on the roads taking others with them. They like to claim it is an illness but it is selfishness. 

Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

So BMW has no physical controls to adjust stuff with and instead you have to take your eyes of the road and stare at a screen? Hard Pass. Not the Ultimate Driving Machine we have here folks.

I need to subscribe to Discovery+ to watch a show where RDJ makes classics more "environmentally friendly"? Gag and hard pass.
MustangJim
Technician

Huge touch screen in the BMW: to much. its overkill. Maybe the gamers are growing up and buying these cars now but I don't want to drive with a TV on my dash.
Toyota: I like it. That grille is so big that black with the dark exterior colors tones it down a bit.
Traffic Fatalites: True, people are driving faster and paying less attention to the rules. One thing overlooked is that police are not so aggresively pulling people over as they used to. I'm not talking about highway speedtraps, they are out there. I am talking about the local roads. Many police forces have had hold harmless removed so these cops can be personaly sued. The last thing they want is a possible chase situation. I have a friend who is a police officer, his mindset is 5 more years to retire and I will now only do what I must. Not saying this is the whole problem, but it is part of it.
CitationMan
Gearhead

The Chicago Police policy on pursuits is 13 pages long. Key sentence is that cops will not be punished for not pursuing a thug. Cannot blame the cops for not pursuing, because if they pursue and it goes wrong, those 13 pages of rules will ruin their career, or worse. 
The tragic result last week was a carjacked BMW that was involved in many Chicago  street holdups was located by the car’s GPS, but no pursuit was made once the car sped away from the cops, and the thugs then committed a violent holdup where the victim lost part of his leg from a gunshot, has his jaw wired shut from removing a bullet in his jaw, and is still in the ICU but off life support. Luckily the shooter is now in jail. Being a cop seems to be a no-win situation these days. God bless them. 

hyperv6
Racer

One thing that really hurts the Tesla S is the dash. No styling and it looks cheap. 

DavidHolzman
Advanced Driver

And another thing that hurts it is the ugly face. I wouldn't want to have to look at one of them in my driveway.
gpsuya
Advanced Driver

Wow. A giant touchscreen. And what exactly does that have anything to do with what BMW calls "the ultimate driving machine". So sad of what has become of the marque.
MustangJim
Technician

More like ultimate video game...piped in sound, huge screen. If regulators would allow it they would switch from steering wheels to joy sticks. Not related to this topic on the BMW but even when a car today has a manual shift, people want computerised rev matching , etc...Where is the fun of learning to do that on your own! Sorry for the tangent but its all related with the big screens and tech. And I thought line loc was for babies ( just cause I was jealous).
TsukubaCody
New Driver

Many better antidotes exist to rising traffic fatalities than increased enforcement and personal responsibility. Roads can be designed to improve safety, cars can be tested for pedestrian safety, new cars, especially those with autonomous tech can be limited to certain speeds by gps data or outright limited, seatbelts could be made smarter to make it more difficult to drive without, phones and cars could interact more to block their use by drivers, and so much more.

Throwing our hands up in the air and saying nothing can ever be done to make things better is a huge reason why the world is such a mess right now.
Oldroad1
Technician

Fingering Touch Screens are as dangerous as texting while driving. Cars and trucks with GPS and Touch Screen tech are factory distraction devices that cause more traffic accidents than people realize.