As another poster mentioned, just get a full size cargo van. My Promaster 3500 EXT has a bed of about 12.5 feet with a 6'2" height. The floor is also low enough to get in and out with only a little difficulty. Ford and Mercedes have a higher floor height due to their RWD configs.
I get that, especially the rear seat room as I have 2 kids in car seats. My main point is that the Honda isn't necessarily the wimp people make it out to be. As for those trims, I agree, they need a butter zone in the trim line up that is currently lacking. My 17 was an RTL-T, but when I went for my 21 I got a Sport. I miss my heated seats, but I prefer cloth the leather and the only way to get the cloth is Sport. At least all trims are AWD since 2019.
The transmission is a ZF-9HP unit, same one used in the Jeep Cherokee and RAM Promaster, Nissan Pathfinder, Land Rover Discovery, and others from a slew of manufacturers, you can't pin transmission issues (if any) on Honda as it is a widely used unit on the market and not produced or designed by Honda.
Actually, I can.
They overspec and undercool their transmissions. And the 9HP is new. Do some research before spouting off your Honda love. They are great at many things, towing isn’t one of them.
Awww, he's cute. Do your own research, the AWD Honda comes with standard HD transmission cooler (always has). The 9HP is not new, it came out in 2013, long before Honda began using it in 2019. Vehicles using it for far longer than Honda (like the Jeep Cherokee) are rated for 6000lbs of towing, so Honda is under that and nowhere near it's max. I get you're sour that I brought facts to your opinions, but don't be a douche.
Absolutely agree, I would never push it to its max rating cause that is always a recipe for disaster in any tow vehicle! It really comes down to being realistic about ones towing needs (and reading the door sticker, I bet a lot of F150 XL/XLT owners with the base 3.3L would be surprised to find their F150 doesn't tow more than the Ridgeline, I think it goes up to 7400lbs if you option the 3.73:1 axle). I know many here in Wisconsin that have 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons, but the biggest thing they tow is a lawnmower, or single UTV. If one needs to tow a good amount (say an enclosed car hauler or a 30+ft camper), absolutely buy the right capacity. I learned to drive in 1/2 and 3/4 tons and dad taught me to handle a trailer when I still had my temps, so I have a few miles of towing experience to know how bad it is to overdo it with too much trailer for your vehicle. People should also be smart about things like trailer brakes and weight distribution hitches. That said, if all one is towing is a UTV or a little jon boat, even the Maverick and Santa Cruz are more truck than you need for the job. My dad asked me, when I got my first Ridgeline, what I would do if I ever needed to tow more than it was rated for. I answered that in that rare/hypothetical instance (which still has not occurred since 2017) I would rent or borrow a more capable vehicle. Why pay thousands more on sticker, pay more in fuel and insurance, and suffer daily worse ride for a hypothetical future once or twice need? If my needs do change on a permanent or at least regular-use basis, I will probably buy a 1/2 ton GMC or Chevy like my dad's current one.
Your data is incorrect, it was the Ford Super Duty that was #1. No doubt due to extensive fleet sales. If one backs out the HD market, I guess that changes things.
data is fun to manipulate.
Literally nowhere in the website of the company that published that do they say what you just indicated, and the #1 spot on their list was the Toyota Land Cruiser. Again, I provided the name of their own article. Google it and read. Here I copied the data from the website.
|Rank||Vehicle||% of Cars Over 200k Miles|
|1||Toyota Land Cruiser||18.2%|
|4||GMC Yukon XL||5.2%|
|11||Toyota Highlander Hybrid||3.8%|
Also, what you call data manipulation, is actually called math, and your own comment shows how little you understand it. Let's say there are 2 truck makers, A & B. A makes 100k trucks, and 2500 of them reach 200k miles. That is 2.5% of the trucks made. B makes 800,000 trucks, and 10,000 of them make 200k, or 1.25%. So A could claim, truthfully, that their trucks are 2x as likely to reach 200k than B's. B could also claim, truthfully, that 4x as many of their trucks reach 200k than A's. You are claiming the latter with Ford, this study is looking at the former. The point it, if you were to buy a truck with the intention of reaching 200k with it, you are twice as likely to achieve that outcome with a vehicle from A. Ford simply sells more, so can claim a larger gross number, thanks in large part to the fleet sales you mention, the reliability and longevity is measured by percentage, not gross.
Another way of looking at it. If we were shooting guns competitively, and the prize went to whomever got a shot closest to the bullseye, someone shoots 10 rounds from a rifle, and someone else shoots one round of birdshot from a shotgun (making more vehicles). The shotgun is more likely to get more holes nearest the bullseye than shooting a rifle. They could claim their shotgun is more accurate. It isn't, it merely threw more lead down range to get more closer to the bullseye than the rifle rounds. The rifle is more accurate, the shotgun throws more at the problem.
You have to understand many Honda/Toyota devotees are stuck in a prior era of quality.
my Brother in Law is one. He went on and on about how one domestic brand is pure garbage, but my sister’s 2021 Honda has been in to the dealer 17 times. Never 3 times for the same issue, so they can’t lemon law it. Went on a hunt, had to leave the Ridgeline in the parking area before heading deep into the mountains. Whoa, he said, glad you have 4 wheel drive, he said. I said, I’m still in 2wd, we’re just in 1st gear of a HD 5-speed.
Hondas and Toyotas aren’t bad, they just fit a different market.
My '02 Dakota has 140K+ miles - and a LOT of those are very rugged 1/2 miles' worth of ranch duty, but it's also been on freeway trips hauling more of a load than it looks like it has capacity for. Right now it's sitting in the driveway with a load of vintage air compressor parts I'm taking to be powder-coated (a restoration project to pipe air all through my garage and shop area).
I change the oil and rotate the tires (when I think about it). When it gets really muddy, I wash it (sometimes). It ALWAYS starts first crank. It's NEVER failed to take me wherever I need to go. It isn't fancy (although it does have A/C), but it does the work I throw at it, and it never complains. The headliner is sagging, but that doesn't seem to affect performance. My friends and family borrow it. I've taught two granddaughters to drive in the field in this pick-up. I can't imagine that there is anything on the market today that could make me more happy than this truck. 😊
Ever seen what happens to a little kid in a car seat when a Civic is t-boned by a Volvo?
I bet that Dad would endure the scorn and ridicule of the entitled class, looked down their intellectual noses at the poor, down blue collar fool in his pickup.
been doing this for 30 years, never had to testify when a 3 year was killed because the truck was severed in an accident.
I own 1/3 of a 120 acre ranch. Some places even the Grand Cherokee can’t access. But the old 3/4 tons can drag a stock trailer out there to pick up cattle. In places I mean “drag” the trailer over rocks and high spots.
That guy wasn't just selling Land Rovers - he was also selling a "crock o' you-know-what". On my ranch, I have a hillside so steep that in 2WD, my pickup won't even begin to climb it - even in the best of conditions, let alone with a little wet or snow on it. And at the top of that hill is a gate. And if I can't get through that gate - well, there's not much need of me to give any more detail, because here's the deal: if some dude who doesn't work or live on a farm or a ranch is trying to give me advice about how I live and work my land, I'm best off to just turn on my heel and walk away...
The Sierra like it's badge-twin Silverado are just so dang big and ugly. The Canyon/Colorado may be the last decent looking american pickups right now. Every new truck is just getting bigger with more GRILLE and more LOGO on them. It's comical watching them grow in size both physical and font wise. It's like typing in all caps all the time.