I confess BMD4800: Upon more thorough thought all of my observational experience is in the Northeast where a huge percentage of the vehicles on the road are four-door pickups with no passengers and empty beds. So what are they hauling in a four foot bed that warrants Load Range D tires, occasionally duallies - plutonium? User habits in other parts of the country may be completely different and if you (and anyone else) use your truck for actual work you are not who I mean in these comments.
Before college, before my career and climbing a corporate ladder, I stood in front of a 5 turret lathe. It was all fun and games until the whistle blew, people were working, I had jobs to do, and this ridiculous machine sat there…waiting for me to command the output. Suddenly all my bravado and youthful arrogance was gone. I had a mentor, a journeyman who probably forgot more about machining than I’d ever learn. He stepped in and helped. A much older African American man, gruff, rough, and borderline mean. He called me white boy. His name was Dwayne, but I called him black man. I was mad he called me white boy, but too scared to use the N-word, he could see through me. He laughed. He said you can call me black man, that’s fine.
He had struggled through racism, oppression, and segregation in the south to better himself and land a sweet gig in the north. At the sunset of his career, he was handed some stupid kid who was too arrogant to see his ignorance, and too ignorant to see his arrogance. But he endured. He taught me so much, about machining, about life, about being a husband and a father. All while I struggled with that relic of a machine, with the transition into manhood from high school immaturity weighing heavily upon me. Rodney King had his run-in, a Million(ish) men marched, and he kept helping, all the while calling me white boy.
One day we had a talk. I explained how I truly valued his help, his mentorship, and his advice, but I had saved up enough money to move to AZ and go to school. It must have been dusty that day, he said my name, wished me luck, and congratulated me. Of all the people there, he was the only one.
When I share my prior work experience, most folks don’t get it. There is nothing wrong with labor, with trades, or with the important services they provide.
Oh, but you are so wrong.
There is a systemic anti-labor sentiment that permeates the educated class. Most of whom are incapable of basic life skills. Trust me, I see it daily.
Funny I never considered this, but now that I am looking back at all the people I've met in my white collar life who have a hard time understanding why I do what I do with cars...
Sorry your white-collar life acquaintances have been so limited in outlook, @Sajeev - but when I was in that workforce (generally described as an office job), I actually met a ton of people who 'understood', but actually personally enjoyed more "menial" pastimes such as working on cars, hunting, riding choppers, and yes, utilizing pick-up trucks. BMD4800 has a bit of a point, but like many others, he (or she) has formulated an all-encompassing viewpoint about ALL members of a particular group and painted the entire group with the same broad brush (what Rider79 correctly calls "generalization"). There's a lot of that going around these days, and in my mind, it's dangerous (and a bit lazy). If being fair, one can actually find biased and narrow-minded people in ALL walks of life and social strata. And with an open mind, one can also find people without biases in those same groups.
Perhaps BMD4800 hasn't been to the right car events. Just last Sunday, I talked with the CEO (driving a Lambo) of a major company and a guy (in a beater '72 Duster) who literally digs ditches for a living, and we three had a great conversation while huddled under the hood of my Pontiac.
Agreed 100% @DUB6 as my circle of acquaintances are indeed far removed from the type of labor we are discussing here. Most are not removed in a negative/judgmental way, only specialized and focused on other things.
Painting folks with broad strokes is generally not a good idea and generalizations are a double-edged sword, too. I've been on the losing end of this for most of my life (but I don't really need to care about that anymore, and I rarely dwell on it).
Our experiences often cloud our outlook and lead to generalizations. Rightly or wrongly, it is a part of the human condition.
classism is terrible phenomenon that is as old as time.
I’ve been to many car events, but not all. Been to a few tracks, different events, and thus my opinions are perhaps jaded.
I work a white collar job and get paid well. But I remember the days as a laborer and thus respect the trades people who genuinely have mastered their craft.
But when it comes to folks looking down their (collective) noses at the laborers, the working class, those who are on the first couple rungs of the ladder, yeah…I make my judgements early.
it’s like people who kick dogs or are mean to kids - they pretty much outed themselves.
Try being poor, getting handout food from the Govt and living in a house your Grandparents paid for because your parents were deadbeats.
Getting a job at 15 because it was that, or Salvation Army clothes; and not a McDonald’s job, a real job with labor and hard work.
No handouts, no scholarships, 100% paid your own way.
It isn’t “bigger is better”, it is I’m not going to let my kids bounce off the dashboard because smokes were more important than a car seat. Because my kids don’t lay awake at night sweating in bed because A/C is too expensive. Because I gladly make sure my family has all they need and most of what they want. That’s not bigger is better, that’s being a human. We want our kids to have a better life than us. That’s getting up in the morning, getting the job done to give THEM a better life than I had.
you see “bigger is better”. Every day I look in the mirror and think “these people will NEVER experience hunger, if it kills me to make that happen, so be it. “
We are in agreement. You don’t get it.
you stated a ‘need’ for a vehicle.
Nearly every modern society since the Roman Empire has had 4 generations of recurring behavior. They aren’t always in sync, which is why strong leaders emerge in each generation.
You suggest that “need” is the determining factor.
I suggested “want” is the determining factor.
A shining example of the need/want dialectic. If you want a vehicle that rides like a Cadillac and handles like a Corvette you certainly don't need a truck. Buy a CT5-V Blackwing. Admittedly, a set of shocks is way more affordable and there's no need for a self-image adjustment.