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Hagerty
Hagerty Employee

Avoidable Contact #138: Time to get it over with

Did you know that your body replaces its cells continually, and that every 7 to 10 years you're a completely new person? I hope you didn't know that, because it's not true.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/avoidable-contact/avoidable-contact-138-time-to-get-it-over-wi...
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fueledbymetal
Advanced Driver

“But my historical self didn’t do that. Instead he bought a 2004 Boxster S Anniversary Edition. Which did not triple in value between now and then. To put it mildly. This is a comfort in the moments when I feel *stupid* and unequal to the task of life.”

Nothing “stupid” about that choice unless you’re buying the cars purely for investment potential. To me, the experience of all of the cars I’ve bought (and usually lost some money on) is priceless.

Good luck with the sale 🍺
FlyinBrian
Pit Crew

Well... I could trade you a Twin Turbo track car (likely a bad idea) or cosign it at my dealership.
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

I'll drop you a note once I have the car prepped.
PecosBill
Intermediate Driver

For the love of all holy I hope in that top pic the battery terminals are disconnected...yikes. Even a 70's SC would fry an alternator on a ham handed jump.
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

I've jumped this car a dozen times with no difficulty. Maybe more. Of course, you can also flip a coin a dozen times and come up tails every time, but that doesn't mean you'll do it the next time...
Brash
Intermediate Driver

If you have a spare parking space available (either now or in the future) you could probably barter it with that Hack Mechanic fellow and let HIM deal with the online auction crowd...
But I feel I've been reading your material long enough to know if you had a spare parking space you'd have bought another car to fill it by now...
Johnny5
Pit Crew

I work for Porsche Classic, if we had it:

We’d drop $2500 on a kerosene steam detail.
Address safety items and catch it up on service.
Sell it for amaze ball levels of money.

So maybe consider a consignment sale. Very little hassle….

I couldn’t imagine selling my deadly sin 74 911. Bought for 11K back in 2009 and worth over three times that today especially in CA where all pre 1976 cars with sporting pretensions are desirable. And my MFI 74 would walk all over any 800lb heavier 993!
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

The nice thing from a Cali perspective is my car is a basket handle OBD-I car that won't snitch the owner out for carbon buildup on the valves.
Oscar
Intermediate Driver

The throwaway Dylan McKay line made me look it up and realize that 90210 started in 1990 and the car was a 1964, so 26 years old. Thus, your 27 year old model is an amazingly apt comparison.
I must mention carsandbids.com to annoy the author.
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

Oh, if Doug's site pulled real money for cars I'd be on there. Instead they are selling Autozams for $4500 when they pull $31k on BaT.
seinfeldbasslin
Intermediate Driver

are you referring to the AZ-3 that just went? I was under the impression that wasnt insanely under market value, since it was essentially just an MX-3 rebadge. i sold a car on there with good results and would imagine a 993 would do well basically anywhere...
hyperv6
Racer

Too bad the snob of 29 did not invest in a proper air cooled 911.

Some people pay for the right car and some just pay for the name.

Rider79
Technician

The 993 IS air-cooled.
cyclemikey
Detailer

First rule of snark - you'd better be accurate.

Fail.
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

Let the man dunk on me, we've all had a hard year.

I want to believe that he knows the 993 is aircooled and simply disapproves of the suspension, therefore he is telling me to get a REAL car which would have torsion bars.
Worldrider
Intermediate Driver

Ha! I needed a laugh today, thanks for that. (I trust it was an attempt at humour and not sad, misplaced outrage)
86Zed
Pit Crew

I can promise you I would treat it nearly identically to your once removed, now former self. I can also pay you precisely what such a man could realistically afford, probably why I rack up BMW and Miata track miles and not Porsche ones.
Hope it goes to a home that exercises it weekly!
topside
Advanced Driver

The #1 car I regret selling was my mint-condition '73.5 911T; more so than even the Hemi Road Runner or '73 Z28. Not because of its current value - and it certainly wasn't the fastest 911 - but the irreplaceable and incomparable Porsche-ness of the thing. Never even turned on its radio: the engine's soundtrack was all I needed to hear. I don't think I'd feel the same way about the more civilized, arguably damped-down, 993 & etc. Can't say I've lived an excessive life, but much of me at 70 is still under 40...and 30+ years and dozens of cars later, that car still calls to me.
RS255
Pit Crew

Liked the read, a rich uncle at 69 once told me we get our money when it is too late , in my day I always thought if you got it when you were young then at 25 -30 you would be at the big race track in the sky. Don't grow too old and by all means if you cross that border again at 150 slip in Buckethead's Jordan it will make any car worth 30 MPH more. Can I be your son ?
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

You don't want to be my son... imagine being twelve and being stuck in a car with your dad for 14 hours at a time while he drones on about who REALLY played each Steely Dan solo.
TigerTiz
Pit Crew

My granddaughter would die laughing at that statement...
Tsaxman
Advanced Driver

I will not sell my 911 until I am too infirm for unaided ingress and egress. That means, irrespective of the unidirectional mode of DNA synthesis in my brain cells and my considering my current level of fitness (despite advancing years), my estate is likely to be marketing it.
Tsaxman
Advanced Driver

And sorry about the double use of "my" in that sentence. Looks like my brain cells may be curdling, after all.
Boeingpilot
Intermediate Driver

When you mentioned Bax Seat: Log Of A Pasture Pilot., I had to chuckle.  Met old Bax once, what a guy.  World needs more like him 

Rider79
Technician

Strongly suggest you project yourself forward a year after selling, and see how you feel then; I'd say you are making a big mistake. I never sold any of my collectible cars (worth much less than the 993) to raise money for my children's future; that would have smacked of desperation, to me.
Tsaxman
Advanced Driver

I guess it depends on how many cars you have, how liquid you are otherwise, and the relative affection level remaining for the vehicle to be sold. I sold a Shelby KR convertible when I had two kids in college, because it made more sense than selling my Berkshire Hathaway stock at the time. Then, when my third kid started college, I sold the stock, too.
Worldrider
Intermediate Driver

…or the affection for your relatives 😉
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

I don't mind coming off as desperate; unlike many of our readers and members, I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. But this car was never meant to be collectible. It was meant to be run into the ground. Or at least that was my plan when I bought it. Now that it's "Collectible" I don't want it. 🙂
SteveNL
Detailer

I owned a 993 for a while. It was incredibly fast. They are also beautiful to gaze upon. But I thought the most minor service on these cars was a huge pain. The car is difficult to work on. Go back just a few years to the '80's and the 911s were fairly easy to service and repair. I was happy to say good bye to mine.

In any event, despite my complaints, the 993 Porsche is going for big money today. This is a great time to sell.
SAG
Technician

Funny when we realize our Cars have survived better than we have
GeorgeWA
Intermediate Driver

Great article…I would never sell that 993…
Geok86
Instructor

Why do so many people feel like they owe their children anything other than love, a roof over their heads, food on the table, and guidance?!?! No young kid needs an expensive car, shoes, clothes, vacations, etc, etc, etc…I took better care of my things, because I worked hard for them, and earned them myself, and that hard work/great work ethic, and being taught to save and live below my means, enabled my wife and I to help our kid go to college (helped, not fully paid), and retire and move south at 45. Teach your children to fish, instead of giving them a fish…
George1
New Driver

Hey Jack, very funny stuff, mostly because appropriately aimed at thousands of guys (myself included) who have done or at least thought such things. Great to have a voice to legitimatize the foolishness that fills this hobby / habit.

If I read this right, "triple digits toward Indiana" means that you're in or near Chicagoland. If so, or even if not, happy to help you find a new home for the car; either with myself, or make it painless to get market value for it without all of the annoyances that you listed. It's what I do, when I'm not accidentally buying cars from my poor youth. Happy to help, but not sure how to "drop you a line".

George
gnmikhail@yahoo.com
gasgasrider
Pit Crew

I’ll offer a slightly different response than most:
While Jon at 12 is smart enough to realize the value of his Dad’s involvement in his life, it’s doubtful he will see the true extent of it for probably 20 or more years. Meanwhile, perhaps he can enjoy, or at least wonder, why his Dad is such a child…
Your decision to sell the Porsche now mystifies me. I get that you have many reasons for not wanting to drive it, but sell, nope, don’t get that one. Hypothetical question, how would you feel five years from now if it was sold this year in any of the myriad forms of marketing who’d love to ‘help’ you realize $xx k, only to find if you had waited until spring of ‘27 it was worth $xx k plus 50%? Which is a very realistic possibility. Knowing full well a 12 year old gets no vote in the democratic process, as a valued member of your life, what’s his vote? It wouldn’t be hard to trailer it to your new location and maybe even start working on it at any level with your son. Over on rl there’s a father son duo pulling the engine out of a C4S and the boy, perhaps 1 - 2 years older, looks thrilled!
Hope to hear more about the car, and more about Jon, his comments about the importance of pedaling and putting a helicopter in Dad’s hair add a much needed levity to what we read today!
gasgasrider
Pit Crew

Forgot to mention, he doesn’t get to drive it without you in the car.
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

I've spoken to my son about it extensively; he has no interest in street cars and cannot fathom why someone would pay extra money for a car just because of the badge or engine noise. At his age, I would have donated a pint of blood a week for four years just to be able to drive a 911 around a parking lot. He'd rather spend the summer in Colorado riding mountain bikes.
As for the value... it might be worth more next year, probably will be, but every year it just sits is probably bad for the car and every year I drive it is also bad for the car 🙂
ccrvtt
Intermediate Driver

Jack, you're becoming Peter Egan with a kid, Ed Hertfelder with a wife, and I mean that in the very best way. Keep up the good work.
Isoldmye30m3
New Driver

I bought my 993 in 2010 for $14k. I drive it. Just go drive it, it's a car not a 401k
Jack_Hagerty
Moderator

How did you get a 993 for $14k, ever? Carrera 4 Tip Cab?
tanglefoot
Intermediate Driver

Simple. Find that one special cemetary that lets you take it with you and keep having your fun!
KMCor
New Driver

I chuckled reading this. So many similarities. Sold mine 6 months ago. It was on a trickle charger for years. Every time I drove it (2-3 times per year) I decided I couldn’t part with it. Now it belongs to a 30 something. And I’m wistful and kick myself every time I’m passed by one. For no reason other then nostalgia. Ahh to be young again.
TigerTiz
Pit Crew

I'd rather be wiser...
ahblain11
New Driver

I think I know the feeling, having sold a Porsche that had sat for a number of years. In 1976, I bought a somewhat disassembled 1956 Porsche 356 A, with my intension of turning it into an outlaw. But shortly thereafter, I discovered that it was a very early 1500 GS Carrera, which changed everything. I realized that first, I couldn’t bring myself to modifying it, but second, because of its complexity, this was one of the last Porsches that I wanted to own. So, I did what any car fanatic, with too many projects, would do. I took it “up north”, stored it in my brother’s barn and forgot about it for 42 years. But the word got out 4 years ago, and I started to get all kinds of calls and offers, most of them bogus. I had a COA from Porsche, so I knew that it was a real Carrera, it was in much better condition than I realized and mostly original, and I had a good idea of its value. I let the suiters think that it was more than just the sale, even though I was totally divorced from the car. This way, I controlled the sale on my terms. In the end, both the buyer and I were very happy with the outcome. Best of luck with your venture.
Maestro1
Technician

Jack, another Winner. Thank you.
Sluicehotbox
Pit Crew

I'll trade you my LS430 with a hitch that is towing a 2019 yz250 on a harbor freight trailer. Young people want exciting cars too.
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

I can't afford it but I'd take it. I promise to give it a good home where it is loved and not sell it.
Varjak
Pit Crew

For me, an early model 993 in white with the basket-handle is probably my least favorite configuration; but a 993 is still a 993, so congratulations on your foresight. Obviously with today's prices, quite a few really nice 993s have come out of the woodwork, so it's a pretty big claim that yours is one of the nicest. I've seen quite a few really nice ones on the usual sites.

Every car guy has multiple stories of the ones that got away and I'm not exception, even if I'm more of a dabbler than you seem to be. I made a similarly poor choice, choosing between a new Boxster S and a 964 America Roadster, which were about the same price at the time. 964s of almost every ilk were looked down upon, and the America Roadster particularly so. Now look at them.
silentsod
Pit Crew

I do find it disappointing that people are storing their vehicles away instead of experiencing them and showing them to the world.

I drove the piss out of a well-used '78 SC, and am glad to report it sold to someone looking to use it for track days. I'm hopeful it's out there, exhaust roar (prior owner had slapped a BB exhaust on it) turning into a shriek at redline. If nothing else it always turned heads, and women loved the look of that Petrol Blue paint. Sometimes it turned heads because oil would leak onto the exhaust and create a neat cloud of smoke if it wasn't being run for longer periods of time, but it never failed to turn heads.

I really liked that car.
miata93
Advanced Driver

Jack, You are overthinking this.
Just post it on BaT. Set your own reserve, with the addition of your provenance it will be a record breaker. Be sure to include a full size cardboard poster of Don Johnson wearing a white Armani suit in the promo photos. You can't lose.
Just for kicks get a quote from Carvana. It will drive their algorithm nuts and it might trigger some really outrageous astronomical result.