6 full-size alternatives to muscle cars

[Bryan]

There are plenty of cars from the ‘60s and ‘70s that offer beautiful designs and gutsy power plants that don’t neatly fall into the muscle car category. We’ve even offered up some more affordable, mid-size alternatives to the typical muscle car. This time, let’s delve into some of my favorite full-size cars from the era that, while heavier than their drag-strip hero counterparts, brought some big V-8 power to bear. 

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[DeanoK]

63-65 Buick Riviera.  Always will be!

[wotdahal]

I would add to the list:

1959 Thunderbird 430 Convertible

1965 Riviera

1966 Thunderbird 428 Convertible

1967 Eldorado

1967 Riviera GS

1968 Toronado

1972 Riviera

All are readily available, potentially high performance and will turn heads at any car show.

[shoulderboards]

My uncle had a 1968 Plymouth Fury 2DR hardtop with a 375 hp 440 V8 with a floor-shifted 4-speed.  I was always impressed when he would show off when I was in the car by burning rubber and rowing the 4-speed as if that big boat was a Barracuda.

[DarrylBirch]

Let's remember folks that horse power rating in north america, pre 1972 was measured in Gross HP not Net.  Therefore, it is much less powerful that the rating says.  

[Brandan]

But they're also massive V-8s and ripe for modification. 

[jdreeves]

We are aware of that. But one can coax a lot more h.p, from those small and big block engines with aluminum heads ported and polished and hotter cams and bigger intake and exhaust valves and headers etc.

[Sharx]

These cars all look best going straight, at a car show or cruising your local main street.  But come up on a sharp corner too fast and you'll wish you had slowed down ALOT more because you have rear drum brakes, often  in front as well.  The body lean?  Ya better have your seat belt on tight.  My old '68 Mustang F/B GT 390 was even like that.  But that said, I love the styling that has made them more popular, albeit with most of us older crowd.  Unless it's a low mileage keep it original, it makes sense to redo the entire suspension to more modern parts, but think twice, because you may never get the return on your investment when sold.

[Doug42]

I thought this was a hobby for people who love cars not not investment club. It appears the auction houses have won the message.

[jdreeves]

I would add the 1962 Sport Thunderbird Roadster with the 390 with 406 heads with tri power which produced 345 h.p. And the 1957 Ford Thunderbird F Code supercharged 312 that depending on the boost produced from 300 to 377 h,p,

[Sfzeller]

1969/70 Mercury Cougar

[georgiahoosier]

I had a 69 AMC Ambassador SST coupe and loved it. I preferred the Teague-restyled wide front end over the stacked headlights of the year before but they were still sharp clean cars. In fact Ambassador 2 door hardtops were good looking cars clear up to 73.

[shafe99]

I would add A Chevrolet Caprice 2 DR SS 396 with the Optional 375 HP. Great car and very quick for the weight. 

[Diego]

Such a car was never built. Only 425 horses (1965) or 325 (through 1968).

[Decepticondave]

Too bad few have seen a 1965 Chrysler 300 2D HT....

[Cmertes]

What? No mention of Imperial?

[dooscoop32]

I agree about the '70 Thunderbird.  I have never understood why there is so little love for the 4-seat Thunderbirds of ANY year.  It seems as though people just turned their backs on them after 1957.  I love the Square Birds, the Rocket (or Bullet) Birds, the Flair Birds, the Big Birds and all that followed.  I can't believe how little most of these cars sell for at auction.   And that's not because I'm a Ford man.  Because I'm not but I am an admirer of great automotive design and so many 4-seat T-Birds were just that!

[AngryBird]

2002 - 2005 Thunderbird Retro-Birds were abandoned for the cookie cutter Mustang.

[Steve1957]

I bought a 61 T-Bird, Honey beige with black interior, 390 and only 18K miles in the early 80s. I loved the styling, but alas, speedwise, it was a parade float. Still, the styling kept my satisfaction with it high. The guys resto-modding my 63.5 Galaxie right now have one in a bay nearby, and it really brings back memories of my fun twenties. Now I have the Galaxie and my daily driver, a perfect 1972 Cad CdV with 35K miles. That's a real attention getter. Do love the Birds, though.

[Jmz65]

I have to add my current project and favourite from that time.  1965 Galaxie 500 XL

[crispyquail0831]

I have a 1969 Impala 427 SS

I would have thought it would have been at the top of the list.

[Scott]

It says “alternatives” to muscle cars. Your SS would be considered a muscle car.

[72ChevelleSS]

Hmmmm... they must have also forgot the 1970 Hemi Cuda, and the 1970 Chevelle SS 454? Maybe we should go back together and READ THE TITLE?!?!!

[Scirocco]

You need to actually read the article.

[DK72]

I may be wrong, but is this a rebadged Caprice? I thought that the formal roof line is a giveaway.

[elldorado2000]

Such beautiful cars.  I'm liking that Buick Wildcat.  I bought a 74 Pontiac Grand Am as a project car last year.  It's a A body car, but the proportions hide how truly big these cars are.  My Grand Am is a tighter fit in my garage around the perimeter than my 2005 Chevy Tahoe.  

Watch enough of the video to hear that wonderful V-8 rumble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lsuJ3xkwg&list=PLDVMZI_3FDreUgeiihv4nG8KWDXGh2eti&index=9&t=95s

[63vette]

I would add the '63 through '66 GPs, though the first two are probably the '64 GTO's equal on the drag strip.  The '67 GP convertible is also worthy of inclusion.  Lastly, the 69-70 GPs were fabulous looking, smooth and powerful beasts, especially in SJ trim.  I don't share the author's opinion that the nose on these cars is "polarizing." 

[DennisTheROACH]

1970 Toronado GT

400 hp, 500 ft lb torque

0-60 7.5 sec 800 lb heavier than the 442 at 7.2 sec

[Etapza]

I found this 1969 Mercury Marauder X100 with only 87,000 miles that's been in storage since 1981...How can I download my pics?

[dooscoop32]

My all-time favorite in the full-size cars is the 1967 Chevrolet SS 427 which was the Z24 option.  By the way, it is NOT an Impala.  You will not find the word Impala anywhere on one of these.  

[JCB1952]

All of these ugly ducklings made the list over the '69-'72 A-Body Grand Prix ?! 

[John1]

My uncle had a 68 Tornado. I was 6 at the time but I was spell-bound by it size and interior....black and chrome everywhere...long wide console and huge front seats....

[TerriStreet]

My mom drove a 1966 Rambler Ambassador that I actually had a chance to buy from her by didn't want it. The car had great pick up and rode like a Cadillac. 

[MarkM]

A 1966 as well as 1967 Thunderbird should qualify. No snails in this flock.

 

[JBaguley]

Too big and barge-like for my taste. Powerful, yes, but so is an ocean-going ore freighter.

[trinity77555]

I loved and owned a 1967 Ford Galaxy 500 390ci and a 1967 Buick Wildcat 455 both were Tudor Hd tops and Wonderful Cars.

[TDASmith455]

How about a 1973 Suburban with a factory 454 and 3.73 posi rear end?  Ok, ok it's a 'SUV', but back in the late 70's I smoked the disco-era Vettes, Z28s and Trans Ams that the 'rich kids' were driving around in High School.  Loved the look on their faces when I shot by them, making the $300, 6 point drag racing ticket I ended up getting worth it!

[bobbieduvall]

Ah the big boys!  You gotta love em eh?  To bad you left out mine.  The 1974 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible.  In Pontiac Porcelain Blue.  I've got a 455 plant with enough HP to push my grandmothers empty grocery cart.  Single exhaust, low compression, catalytic converter, **bleep** OPEC.  But man does it cruise.  🙂

[turbobill]

I've always felt  the big cars with the biggest engines were better than the muscle cars. I currently have two. One a 66 Biscayne Wagon with a 427 and a '68 Wildcat. With minor tuning, mild cams 2teens@.050" lifter rise and headers, both run low to mid 14's. Stock gears, intakes and Q-jet carbs. Both weigh north of 4500# (actual weights) too.

Only difference between a '68 and '69 Wildcat other than the styling is that the '68 was on the C body chassis with 4 inches more wheelbase and the fender skirts from the Electra. That extra length (and weight) was in the rear seat foot.well area. Both cars have surprised many over the years!

[Bobnoir]

Even with the recommended alternatives and  their prices,  one might as well buy the muscle cars.

[1930-Model-A]

The beautiful car shown above is spectacular with except to the disgusting exhaust pipes hanging down for all to see. The exhaust installers totally destroyed the appearance of this amazing beauty. The exhaust should have the underside hidden from view.

[RH-41]

All beautiful cars, but who did the exhaust on the purple T-Bird?   GAG!

[craftypaul156]

Wheres The 67 Buick Riviera GS. Talk about Unique and hard to find, 430 CI Stratoflight Interior, Cylindrical Speedo, X Frame. Probably Give a stock Camaro a Run in the 1/4 mile. 

[Nilsey]

The 1967 Electra is currently on sale for low Dollars on eBay and deserves a look with the 430cid and 360 hp to boot !  Four door hard top. Pick me a winner !

[BuddyJ]

I love my 1962 Buick Electra 225 4 door hardtop. 401 nailhead with aftermarket dual AFB's. Not fast but it's a very roomy cruiser.

[Hooptieville]

I have to disagree on the Wildcat--the 1969 and 1970 years are quite homely looking, and started looking too "corporate GM" for my taste.  I have preferred the look of the '65 over all the others, with the '67 and '68 tied for second place. I realize the '66 is similar to the '65, but don't like the grill and rear taillight treatment, and the dash is completely different and too generic.  The '66, however, did offer a GS package and a dual-carb option.  

[DADSOLDS_1968]

1968 OLDSMOBILE Cutlass 'S' model

[DADSOLDS_1968]

 

[JoeS1]

A full-size muscle car or even a vintage car that gets little or no attention is a car that my father bought new. A 1965 Mercury Marauder 2 door hardtop 

bench seat and  factory 4 speed. I got my first speeding ticket in that car.  Joe S 1

[wickedace]

How about going back in time a little further to look at the Oldsmobile Starfire from '61 to '65? Big engine, big performance. My buddy had one and would love cruising two lane highways looking for 5.0l Mustangs. He would always take them from a rolling start and blow their doors in.