@hothmob author here. Are you speaking of this article or trend pieces in general? I went back and no comparison of Superbirds and Mustangs was made and none of these cars I’d classify as rare. Please keep in mind that these pieces are to whet the appetite. We have a whole site called Hagerty Insider where we dive deep into the statistics we are tracking. And I’m sure you’ll be comforted to know that we have degreed data analysts working on the price guide and many of these market based articles.
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@RodneyRacer I do think there is a misconception that the price guide and analysis is based solely on public sales/auctions. Considering that we estimate that only ~10% of collector car transactions occur in that space, we cannot count on that as a sole source of information. We look at everything from what people are TRYING to get for their cars to networking with VETTED and TRUSTED dealers, appraisers and experts to get their take on the market and what they have been selling these types of cars for or what their colleagues are selling them for. Finally, before we post any value it goes through a review process to ensure that the data and logic makes sense when compared to the recommendations. It is because of this we speak with the confidence that we do.
Greg, Please tell me who the "Vetted and Trusted" dealers are? A Kindly reminder that this is about the 2nd or 3rd shadiest business on planet Earth. And given that KBB (Cox Automotive) & Edmonds are in on the game for "regular folks" vehicles, it's hard to listen to any "Article" seriously. And when it's based on "5 cars NO ONE HAS" and you call it trends, it's laughable. Any data analysis would agree, that this is bad data. Why not just call it "5 cool cars!"?
Known # of sales in the single digits is poor data. My mention of Mustangs in the mix was simply to elaborate on the # of known sales of a particular car. Posting dozens of articles highlighting super rare Automobiles and lavishly draping a banner pronouncing "Market Trend" as data is just totally irresponsible, and only feeds on ignorance. Articles like this really only cater to the subsequent market of your advertisers- those feeding off the classic car market- and never offer sound advice on car valuation.
Hothmob, next time you make a post in here, please don't hold back, tell us all how you really feel.
You're among friends, so don't feel like you need to be restrained or that you have to worry about hurting anyone's feelings.
I can't agree with your comments. For its day the Montreal was a wonderful car design. I drove one (not mine though) back in late 70s and it was a solid car but more of a GT rather than a nimble handling car like their other 105 series of ALFAs of the day. ALFA has always been noted for their body designs and many are true classics. I have owned ALFAs since 1969 to current day and raced a 1967 GTV in SCCA. The GTVs and spiders continue to be desirable cars and clean examples command high prices. But opinions are like A** Holes.....everyone has one.
@grampz thanks for the feedback. If you’re a regular reader, I’m sure you’ll find ample content to your liking. With European and Japanese collector cars being the fastest growing segment in the hobby, we need to serve those enthusiasts as well. However in this article, I chose vehicles on a basis of facts and figures alone, not personal taste. If that were the case, I’d subject the readers to another chapter from the gospel of Nissan Skyline.
Concerning whether or not Hagerty should stick with American-only vehicles, the three-ring automobile circus tent in general is more than large enough to accommodate all them 'furrin' cars, especially when one takes into account the fact that the Europeans alone have laid waste to the sedan market (I just picked one segment at random, there are more than just sedans where Europeans alone have trampled the Americans) here in the states, simply because American automakers couldn't be bothered to build a decent offering until the last decade, and even then, it was only Cadillac that bothered to try to phone one in.
And in case you're curious about where my loyalties lie, I actually have three Fords, one Lincoln Mark VIII LSC, and one Dodge in the driveway (that's simply the current lineup, by the way, there's more where that came from), although the Lincoln doesn't count because it's one of the worst vehicles that Ford ever built concerning American manufacturers obsession with 'good enough' engineering: The Lincoln is between gigs so to speak, with its previous gig being a questionably-reliable, running and driving car, and its next gig being that of a scrap metal supply for a few thousand toasters.
But when I wanted something dependable for my wife to drive back and forth to work?
I bought a used Mercedes, because I can't keep the Fords off the jack stands long enough for someone to be able to drive one to work consistently for a few weeks in a row...which is why I've got three of them in the driveway, just in case one breaks down and needs yet again more parts...and it's been the same story with any American vehicle I've ever owned, driven, or worked on: I've made somewhere around $30,000 in profit just from Ford 3.8 V6 head gasket repair jobs over the last two+ decades.
And don't even get me started on American project cars: I literally have to throw away entire drivetrains and start fresh so I can get anything useful out of practically any American RWD car built up until the early 1990's. And on top of that, I've yet to find any American car with headlights from the factory that actually direct some form of usable light towards the road surface in front of me.
That Lincoln Mark VIII I mentioned above?
It was somehow sold...by an American automobile manufacturer, as the best that they could possibly conjure up in 1996...with turn signal housings for headlights. I had the LSC model with HID headlamps (the first car made in the USA to get those), and they were still so terrible that they were impossible to aim correctly, and still delivered only questionable lighting toward the road. The non-LSC halogen lighting, however, was a thing of terror on its own, and I'm convinced that the CEO of Ford at that time must have had nekkid pictures of the head of the Department of Transportation and blackmailed the DOT into approving those headlamps, because I've used ancient two-D-cell flashlights with half-dead batteries that direct more light in front of you than a fresh set of first-generation Mark VIII headlamps.
But getting back to the European sedan market absolutely trampling that of the Americans, I would also add Lexus into that mix simply on the overpowering domination of their LS400 alone, but that would be the metaphorical equivalent of adding in another school bully to the dozen or so that are already beating up the annoying nerdy kid with the bad breath outside their school, as the LS400 alone has walked all over anything ever offered in a sedan by the Americans, and even kicked a lot of European offerings in the privates.
American cars and trucks hold an incredibly important place in the history of automobiles, but to simply imply that them thar' furrin' cars have no place here in Hagerty paints yourself into a corner so completely that you've also blocked yourself off from receiving food, water, air, and light.
There's an entire universe of incredible cars just from Germany alone, and to own one these days doesn't suggest to the neighbors that you're about to invade Poland all over again. Come out and enjoy the sunshine from other parts of the world...or stay in the cave of the American offerings of cars from the 1960's.
Me personally, I've got an BMW E46 M3 to go lust after just as soon as I'm done building my Frankenstein '96 Thunderbird: Aside from the insane political rumblings that are going on right now around the world, it's also quite possibly the greatest time to be alive from the standpoint of vehicle choice.
Or, since it's what both Jesus and I would do in a similar situation, are you simply trolling us?