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Hagerty Employee

5 burly muscle cars to watch at Arizona Auction Week

While plenty of the action at Arizona Auction Week includes European exotics with sewing-machine-like inline-sixes and intricate V-12s, there are hundreds of rowdy muscle cars up for grabs with snorting V-8 engines. Whether your taste favors Ford, GM, or Mopar muscle, there's likely a big-block on the menu that should suit you.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/valuation/5-burly-muscle-cars-to-watch-at-arizona-auction-week/
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Oldroad1
Technician

In the car game there are way to many WHYs. Why would Plymouth bolt a 727 onto the back of a HEMI SuperBird and to deepen the insult put the selector on the tree? An 833 should have been exclusive equipment for that powertrain. What an insult. It makes the car look clonish.
JBBearcat
Detailer

The answer is easy.
The first owner had a girlfriend who wanted to sit RIGHT next to him.
Can't do that with buckets and a floor shift.
Hormones over hemis.
JEL395
Intermediate Driver

JB have to agree with you on this one. Had a friend do similar with a1967 Chevelle. Special order big engine, bench seat. Maybe the 396, can't recall that part.
Never stop driving. Cheers
blueox76
Pit Crew

Yes, automatics win races; stickshifts impress high-school girlfriends. If you've got a builder that knows his automatics, and a converter builder that can build a quality unit according to your cam and other specs, you've got a machine that will beat a stick off the line every time!
Oldroad1
Technician

Explain than why NHRA Pro Stock division has been running manuals for years.
PurelyPMD
Detailer

The real key here is the bench seat is lighter than the buckets, console and associated hardware.  Guys who ordered their cars to go racing knew that every pound counted.  I have a 455HO 71 GT-37 with a bench seat and column shift automatic.  Pontiac's version of the Heavy Chevy was built to do one thing, go fast in a straight line.

Oldroad1
Technician

Buckets are much lighter than bench seats. I could do without the consoles.
PurelyPMD
Detailer

That is so not true.  Do your research.

Oldroad1
Technician

Research: Average B body bench 80 lbs. Bucket, less than 70 lbs both sides. 70 Maverick bench 75 lbs. Falcon Mustang buckets less than 30 ea.
Oldroad1
Technician

I'd be fine with a bench and a Gun Handle and she'd fit fine and might prefer the Gun Handle too.
PurelyPMD
Detailer

Are you referring to a pistol grip shifter?  Never heard it called a gun handle, not saying it couldn't happen.

 

Oldroad1
Technician

Sorry, my own humble nick name for a Pistol Grip since 1968 when I first saw one on a Charger.
DC
Detailer

Because most all 500 HP cars are quicker w/3 speed automatics. Hemi has nothing to do w/it.

Auto column shift, straight seat cars are quicker than metrosexual bucket seat console cars 😁


Hint: Neither Horseshoe, Pistol Grip, not Fake 4 speed shifters deduct from ET’s either
Oldroad1
Technician

Never mentioned buckets or consoles, good with the bench. Bench seats were popular with 4sps in the 60s. Lotta guys drag raced with 4sps and were very successful. 64 Thunderbolts mopped up the Chrysler and GM entries that NHRA year and the Bolts were all 4sps. Many of the competition had autos. All depends on the driver.
Reinhold_Weege
Instructor

That's a joke right? And if you've ever driven one of these old B-bodies, the bench is way more comfortable than the buckets.
Oldroad1
Technician

Not true I've driven many a "B" and "A" and always preferred the buckets but not really the consoles. Depends on the driver
GC
Intermediate Driver

I think a lot of the Superbirds had auto's. A good friend of mine in the early 70's used his Superbird as his daily driver, believe it or not, and it had a 440 with automatic trans.
MustangJim
Technician

I agree with you. Look at the boss mustangs, 4 speed only! There are others also
Oldroad1
Technician

Speaking of Mustangs, they saved the best for last in this article. I'd take that one over all. Only question, automatic or manual? Most likely a highly modified T-10 for clutchless shifts.
drm101
Detailer

I think you're underestimating the Nova. Lately I've noticed that Novas, especially rare small block Novas, have been selling for more than I thought they would. We'll where she ends up.
HotRodGTO
Intermediate Driver

Agreed. I think that Nova will fetch more $$. The Superbird may likely also.
BAust
Pit Crew

I'm sorry, posting the Grand Nationals' #2 Hagerty Value is an insult to this car and this article. This car is going to go crazy!
Greg_I
Hagerty Employee

@BAust the price guide value will most certainly have no bearing on the sale price of the car listed. However it does highlight the average market for an average Grand National, which is pertinent to the discussion. I wouldn't read between the lines here as nobody within Hagerty's valuation team or media team who thinks that it will sell anywhere near posted price guide values.

MATTMERICA
Technician

As I was recently reminded, the Grand National is not the high-dollar build. It is the GNX, that is the super-ridiculous-can't-believe- people-pay-that-much-money car. I have a pool of bets with my car buddies for the over/under on this ride at $156,899....
Century76
New Driver

First generation Riviera’s did not “hit the showroom…with hidden headlights”; 63’s and 64’s were fixed, 65 was the first year of hideaways.
JBBearcat
Detailer

Maybe it's a matter of getting used to the early '63-64 cars, but I really prefer the fixed headlights.
By comparison, the '65 looks too plain.

As a personal aside, I don't like the wrap around grille pieces on the fenders...GM, particularly Chevy, seemed to like them in the '60s...putting them on their full size cars and especially the Nova until 1973.
PurelyPMD
Detailer

Hopefully Hagerty will write a follow-up to this article with the sales values so we won't have to sift through the auction data to find out.
Gary_Bechtold
Specialist

The 1970 Plymouth Superbird and Buick Grand national is my favorite but that '65 Riviera Grand Sport is very nice too.
RG440
Instructor

THAT…1965 Buick Riviera Gran Sport..Is One Sweet Looking Ride!!! The only thing that Would complement That design would be a convertible top. WOW, and a factory dual quad option for it, sign me up! What A Grocery Getter ! Punch It Granny !
ed
Advanced Driver

I had the '89 Turbo Trans Am 20th Anniversary Indy Pace car that used the Turbo V-6 with smaller heads to fit it between the F-body shock towers and was rated slightly above the GN at 250HP, but less than the GNX. It was the first production car to pace the Indy 500 with only safety modifications. Only 1,555 were made, and a nice one of those can be had for a song, relatively speaking.

2dogg
Pit Crew

The ‘65 Riviera Gran Sport is a great luxury cruiser. The car in the pic has a Buick green painted engine. I believe 425 ci. in. engines were all painted red, as were the engines in the GS 400 nailheads. All of the 430 & 455 Buick engines were red,

SJ
Technician

All nice, but the Tunnel Port and Rivie are my choice. The Hemi has to be a stick, can't blip the throttle/double clutch and listen to that eigine song with an AT. Not just speed but the visceral experience I want.
acooper529
Advanced Driver

The '87 Grand National looks as good as the day it first appeared on the streets. What an awesome and beautifully understated look for a real street monster.
Some changed to bigger rear tires and headed right to the Atco Dragway here in Southern New Jersey!
As a lifelong mechanic and shop owner, I would still like to get ahold of a T-type. They came out in gray paint and with a smaller turbo. I wonder how many still exist. A much cheaper way to get a very similar vehicle. They really ran very well. A real street sleeper too.